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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg you're on with

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gene and Chris on the para cast we are

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also joined by gods Makai one of our

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friendly forum moderators will be

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joining us for the session this week now

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before we start things off and get into

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kind of a lighter vein we do have

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obviously the sad news this week that

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our favorite alien visitor mork he was

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no longer around Robin Williams death at

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the age of 63 was especially sad because

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he felt things were so bad in his life

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that he had to commit suicide and I know

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people who have felt depressed in their

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lives I occasionally suffer from

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depression I just wonder what makes a

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person want to do something like that

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so our hearts go out to Robin Williams

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family he has a daughter Zelda who was

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an actress by the way and we wish her

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the best and it would be interesting to

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see where her career goes Robin Williams

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Chris let's go to something a little bit

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lighter there's an item in our forums

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where this production company is trying

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to set some kind of paranormal dating

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show a reality show what the heck is

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that about I don't know gods what do you

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think I saw that the post and I just I

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had to click through to something

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outside just I mean what will they think

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of next they're really scraping the

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bottom of the barrel like gene I thought

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maybe it was some kind of spam email or

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something but I did have a look I typed

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into YouTube the username there was some

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kind of account there and she has got

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back to us kind of apologizing for

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making us think that it may have been

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spam or something but my comment

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basically is I think she was looking for

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people between you know 18 25 to 35 or

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so but isn't it the case that in the

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paranormal field the average

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age certainly new follow G is you know

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50s and above there's not that many

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young people I think I think that's an

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understatement think it's up against

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sixties unless they're having like a

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dating show for septage innately and

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divorcees then I think they're in the

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wrong age bracket also I don't think

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would attract Millennials that way I

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think we turned them off really I mean

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you have to think here how desperate TV

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production companies are to find the

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next breakout show you know I'm still

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trying to get over storage wars and I

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don't believe for a second this part of

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normal one that they were gonna play it

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straight there would have been something

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up their sleeves I think yeah there

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would have been you know making fun of

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people probably promising that they

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wouldn't but then there were doing

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something up their sleeves for sure no

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boy I'll tell you they are this grape in

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the bottom of the concept barrel geez I

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thought hangar 1 the show that MUFON is

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involved in was scraping the bottom of

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the barrel yeah boy was I wrong

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well I've also got some interesting news

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I just spoke with someone that returned

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from the Conn contact in the desert who

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is like some sort of conference that

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they had 40 speakers at and it turned

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into an absolute nightmare there was a

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speaker riot the power went off they had

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2,000 people way over fire code all the

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porta-potties were stopped up and filled

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up to the brim they had no water two

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days before the conference they

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instituted special extra costs for

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speakers forty and sixty dollars if you

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wanted to see the the top marquee

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speakers they were charging $65 for

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lunch $10 for a burrito this is just

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unconscionable people were forced they

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booked too many vendors they forced the

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overflow vendors to be outside in 110

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degree heat what a nightmare these

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behind us we generated a half a million

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dollars adjust in in entry passes for

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the entire show and this is absolutely

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unconscionable I think it's almost

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criminal well sure it does great for the

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UFO field too

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disasters like that yeah I had a feeling

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about it and I told my friend I said I

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wouldn't go to that and see that awesome

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blah shove well but pardon me some of

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the people are just out downright wacky

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that we were on the speaker's list I

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mean there were some serious speakers

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there Nick was there both Nick's Pope

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and Redfern Jim Marrs was there so they

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did have some I think serious

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researchers there but then they patted

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it out with with some just I mean wacky

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types and you know if this is the the

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direction that you follow G is going in

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do not use that word in my in my name in

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the same sentence it's just I am I'm

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ashamed I'm ashamed to be associated in

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any way with the field with these types

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of charlatans PT Barnum types getting

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involved in getting 2,000 people to go

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to the desert not having water I mean

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hello yeah first and foremost just on a

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safety point and going over the fire

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code and stuff just these basic things

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never mind the you know $10 burrito and

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things like that which is bad enough but

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you know to put people at risk in a you

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know a place that well let's flee let's

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face it the desert in summer is

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extremely dangerous yeah for dehydration

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specially there around Joshua Tree in

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the Colorado desert hey last year Steven

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Greer as body guards locked the doors

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wouldn't let anybody out and then David

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Wilcock came in and did the same thing

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oh it's the same one yeah the same yes

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the same conference you know I can't

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wait to to get some confirmation on some

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of the horror stories that I that I've

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heard I mean I you know the person that

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told me all this I trust implicitly and

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I don't think he was exaggerating he

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literally left he just he just walked

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out and discussed he was only there from

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about noon to 5 o'clock and he just

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walked out in absolute disgust he just

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could not believe it oh boy I don't know

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I worry here what's happened with a lot

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of these UFO events is that they mix the

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really solid people with the extremes

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and MUFON has started doing that right

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now going into great detail we'll be

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getting into it later there's a story in

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new

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magazine called the end of UFOs by Marc

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Jacobson it was cited an article by our

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guest today Micah Hanks entitled the end

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of ufology why serious research goes

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underground

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now the preface this in our last two

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shows we had a more traditional approach

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to UFO investigation we featured Don

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Berliner who's been around since well

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the 1950s he ain't a young guy anymore

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and also Stanton Friedman both people

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above the age of 80

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both presenting a very traditionalist

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view of the subject previously we had

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James carrion author of the Rosetta

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deception who's talking about the

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involvement of military disinformation

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possibly in early UFO encounters in fact

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there was an active discussion over at

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our forums at forum death of power cast

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calm as possible Stanton Friedman will

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participate we know James carrion has

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been there very vociferous participant

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kind of engaging with our members this

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is getting really fascinating where it's

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gonna go I'm only worried it might get a

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little personal sometimes that happens

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with forum posts you know people sit

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there and they get so involved in their

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arguments they get a little personal so

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we have to cut back on it but we're

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really getting an incredible amount of

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response for it we've had a couple of

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messages that have been posted on behalf

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of Stanton Friedman this could be a lot

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more so we'll have to see where that

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goes before we get onto Micah Hanks I

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here you see we've got a lot of really

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in southern Colorado and it it gives a

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newsletter Micah Hanks joining Jean

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Micah Hanks to the show and before we

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got started I was noting the avatar he

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uses for his skype messages and you know

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most of us you know will leave a show a

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picture of ourselves or maybe put on

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some kind of costume or maybe show

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something that represents what we're

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interested in maybe a picture of your

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dog or something or a child or a

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significant other

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instead Micah Hanks appears without his

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mask for the first time Micah explain

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this it's the real me yeah well my Skype

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avatar and this has been ever since I

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actually got a Skype account because

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when I when I got one it was for purpose

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of doing radio and podcasting either me

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being an interviewee you were contacting

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somebody else for an interview on one of

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my shows and so I always use the

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traditional graylien emblem which is the

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little green guy known as the gray lien

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that word being a portmanteau between

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well it's a couple of things grey alien

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but there's also the Holy Grail

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reference it's just kind of a whole like

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slew of mythology and symbolism all

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packed into one word so I like people to

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think that I actually look like that

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though big black eyes green skin you

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know bald head yeah I'm an alien we can

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have you speak on helium you can come

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across as more maybe exactly right right

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you learned back in the 70s how to say

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nano nano ah indeed yeah and of course

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you know mentioning more can I think

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we've all had that on our minds and

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everything so you know it's a good room

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but the funny little alien guy I think

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the better times

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of course referencing the late Robin

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Williams so he's been on everybody's

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mind lately I guess a little I remember

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one time he appeared on the Johnny

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Carson Tonight Show this was back in the

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early eighties the first time he goes in

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the show and normally with a comedian

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what they will do is they will have you

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do your act and eventually Johnny will

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ask you to sit down at the desk which is

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this place of honor because you're

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getting special attention so he sits

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down at the dead

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does his shtick and then he picks up the

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cup from which Johnny's drinking he

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takes his zip and then he says don't

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worry this sores have healed oh boy yeah

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you know Robin he had that kind of a a

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funny kind of an off-kilter thing you

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never really knew what to expect with

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some people might say the same of me or

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or or Chris O'Brien or maybe even Eugene

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you never really know exactly where to

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or what to expect from people like that

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maybe that's a true sound of brilliance

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but I think one thing remains

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indisputable and that is that you know

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Robin Williams remembering him he was

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indeed I think a brilliant guy it's just

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so sad that we see some of these people

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and my aunt I think put it most poignant

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ly when she said how is it that the

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people who always make us laugh so much

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of the ones always crying on the inside

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it's true all that pain comes out in his

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manic state which that very much was it

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came out and he was brilliant but then

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he had this sad side of him that's so

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unfortunate let's move on to some other

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subjects I don't know if it's sad or not

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and this kind of relates to that article

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that you wrote at your blog which i

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think is a good starting it's quoting

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this article from New York Magazine now

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when New York magazine writes about UFOs

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that in and of itself is almost a

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miracle I would agree right now this

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article from mark Jacobson is called the

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end of UFOs and he went to a MUFON event

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in Cherry Hill New Jersey which is just

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outside Philadelphia and apparently he

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attendance is down he claimed with the

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estimates for about 400 which is a

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little bit below average for UFO events

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these days it's not thousands except for

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that contact in the desert where they

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had 2,000 people and it was a mess but

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anyway the thing he said here is a fact

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that the people who participate these

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events and getting older and

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unfortunately it doesn't seem to be

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attracting as many younger people so the

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impression here is the speakers and

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those attending very old and the field

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may be dying and I guess that's what he

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means by the end of UFOs not that people

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aren't seeing UFOs but we thought what

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we think of as the UFO field is gone

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away or is going away

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what's your sense well it's a really

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important subject to talk about and I

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was I was very pleased to hear that you

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guys wanted to talk a little about this

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in addition to the fact that I was

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amazed at the response I've gotten to my

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article which although I titled at the

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end of ufology why UFOs essentially I

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think in the study of UFOs are going

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underground it's a bit of a rebuttal to

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Jacobson's article this has been

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something I've seen people talking about

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for a couple of years and there are a

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few factors that should be taken into

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consideration in relation to this one

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many say that the bygone day of UFO

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sightings and events we're talking about

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hardcore physical landing traces a great

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big dome shaped or you know sucking a

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cigar shaped object or a saucer or

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something landed we saw people getting

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out of it you know we had radiation

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burns you see a lot of this in the

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classic the a profiles you know the days

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of nightcap you know especially

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throughout the 50s 60s and 70s we don't

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seem to have and I think it's a fair

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statement to make we don't seem to have

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that level of interactiveness I think

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with the phenomenon and my colleague

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Nick Redfern is kind of lamented the

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fact that in modern times with all the

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technology we have available to us it

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seems that almost the best that we can

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get are ambiguous lights in the sky and

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things which really whether or not we

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can say this is or is not anomalous very

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little can be determined and so if there

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were a level of interactiveness with

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this phenomenon that maybe once was one

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would say first and foremost maybe

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technology that we have available to us

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today should allow for a better

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representation of this phenomena and

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maybe better documentation now you could

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say that that's you know a valid

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statement and and also you could say

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that it's not I kind of am on the fence

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on that because I think that what we're

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dealing with is a phenomenon and a

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technology that is not probably we take

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for granted how difficult it probably

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would be to document this and also the

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levels of of you know how human behavior

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comes into play in relation to how you

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respond to something that seems so

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foreign another thing is is that of

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course this was something that was so

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incredible and had such an impact on

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human culture especially in the Western

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world during the 50 60 70s and even the

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80s and 90s that a lot of the kind of

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dwindling interactiveness of the UFO

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phenomenon has led to according to some

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less involvement by young researchers

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now I just want to be upfront people

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hear my voice and because

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you know I guess it's my southern accent

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or something a lot of people think I'm

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in my 40s or 50s no joke I'm 31 years

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old I think I'm a pretty good example of

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somebody who is young who is interested

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in this field but the other thing that I

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think is important to say and this isn't

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an attack against conferences because

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I've been a conference planner myself in

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the past but I think that what we see at

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conferences and this is exactly what

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Jacobson was talking about in his

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article we see at conferences a

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representation of the field with people

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who often are people who are greats who

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have made a name and who have spent

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years researching and so often they will

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be discussing things at a conference

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that happens today that they may be

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researched decades ago and that's good

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because it definitely brings a lot of

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new people and a lot of new minds to

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this and brings interest to the subject

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but by the same token I think there's

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another issue that comes about at these

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conferences and that is that they're the

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so called UFO celebrities who may not

532
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have as much to say but who are the

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popular figures we see on television

534
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shows and things like that

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maybe there's no way to say that guys

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that doesn't sound like a criticism but

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I think that in truth and castigate me

538
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if it must be but I think that there

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comes a time where we have to say really

540
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what is ufology and when people are

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launching criticisms based on TV shows

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they watch and on events that they

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attend is that a valid criticism of what

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UFO research actually is I simply do

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think it's not the average person who

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would have grown up and got into ufology

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and the the average age of the kind of a

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conference attendee they grew up going

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to the movie sitting around the

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television of the family watching TV the

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radio things the car but maybe part of

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the problem is that today's younger

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generation they get all their media from

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smartphones and the internet and they

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consume media in a different way you

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know it's just not their thing to be

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attending conferences and stuff and

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maybe we need to move forward in that

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way and catch the younger people you

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know the methods of media that they are

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here we're talking about the state of

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ufology a very important point here the

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gods made and I think Myka understands

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that that the people you want to attract

667
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into this field the people you want to

668
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attract unfortunately they don't go to

669
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traditional conventions and of course

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the conventions themselves they're like

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Disneyland they're pretty expensive you

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have to spend what two three hundred

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dollars for a ticket and someone who's

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twenty five years old and they're just

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kind of getting on in the working world

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they have student loans to pay off

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spending a couple hundred dollars and

678
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then some for a UFO convention paying

679
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for the hotel paying for the overpriced

680
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,600
food you know that's too much for them

681
00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:28,640
if you want to reach these people you

682
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have to do it in a different way

683
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you know maybe online chats something

684
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Myka what do you think again you know I

685
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think that we have to be careful in the

686
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way that we discussed this because I've

687
00:28:42,790 --> 00:28:41,360
got a lot of friends for instance you

688
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:42,800
know in MUFON Jeanne I know that you've

689
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you know I've been a member of MUFON for

690
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years and uh you know the recent MUFON

691
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conference was the one that was not so

692
00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:50,720
much criticized but which was kind of

693
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evaluated in this article that mark

694
00:28:55,540 --> 00:28:54,470
Jacobson wrote and so I don't want to

695
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come across as being someone who's

696
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attacking MUFON and I think that there

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were in fairness a lot of researchers

698
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who take issue with things that have

699
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:02,630
happened with MUFON just recently you

700
00:29:06,130 --> 00:29:04,370
guys had James Kerry and on the program

701
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which of course to me is an extremely

702
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:07,850
interesting conversation having to do

703
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with ghost rockets we can address that

704
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later but again he's a man who I think

705
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maybe comes away from that circumstance

706
00:29:17,140 --> 00:29:15,560
filling more than a bit disenfranchised

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after his experience and I think rightly

708
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so I respect him a lot I think he's a

709
00:29:23,050 --> 00:29:20,810
great researcher a lot of people in the

710
00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:23,060
community don't and so when we look at

711
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an organization like MUFON especially

712
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when they're putting on an event you

713
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know it's not a direct criticism against

714
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them I think we have to understand that

715
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when it comes to a UFO event just like

716
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you said Jean and boy

717
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you write having planned conferences and

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attended conferences and spoken at

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conferences myself I know that there are

720
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a lot of aspects they have to take into

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consideration not just the cost of the

722
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ticket which on average is about you

723
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:45,340
know from event of it I'd say maybe a

724
00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:47,890
good average is $250 if you are not

725
00:29:51,450 --> 00:29:49,750
local to that event airfare is gonna

726
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cost you you know what anywhere from if

727
00:29:55,980 --> 00:29:54,280
you're lucky 250 to as much as $700

728
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:55,990
depending on where you're going and and

729
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the cost of the luggage the cost of

730
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anything they can add to that ticket

731
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:03,580
today get away from you yeah your hotel

732
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your lodging your food and also you got

733
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to take into consideration that because

734
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there is a bit of an industry about

735
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around this and I don't think that's a

736
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bad thing

737
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you know I think that if an author has

738
00:30:18,060 --> 00:30:16,480
put hard work but you know under you

739
00:30:20,700 --> 00:30:18,070
guys know this especially you Chris

740
00:30:22,169 --> 00:30:20,710
if an author has put maybe decades of

741
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,179
research into something do they not have

742
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the right to go and sell that book and

743
00:30:28,350 --> 00:30:26,230
make as much damn money as they can yeah

744
00:30:29,580 --> 00:30:28,360
they do you are right that they do and I

745
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agree because I'm a writer too

746
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:31,299
but people go to these events and they

747
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want to buy those books and the authors

748
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:34,150
have a right to sell them and so there

749
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:35,890
is this industrial kind of component to

750
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it and all that factors in to mean that

751
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you may spend more than a thousand

752
00:30:42,659 --> 00:30:40,480
dollars if you want to go to an event

753
00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:42,669
like this and yet the funny thing is

754
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,960
knowing from you know organizing

755
00:30:47,460 --> 00:30:45,520
conferences that a lot of these

756
00:30:48,810 --> 00:30:47,470
conference organizers they aren't just

757
00:30:51,539 --> 00:30:48,820
rich they aren't making tons of money

758
00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:51,549
doing this stuff so it's an interesting

759
00:30:55,950 --> 00:30:53,500
kind of a dichotomy that we see emerge

760
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,960
where I think people are both attempting

761
00:30:59,760 --> 00:30:58,000
and hoping you know to invest and make

762
00:31:01,470 --> 00:30:59,770
money and by the same token they're also

763
00:31:03,930 --> 00:31:01,480
trying to promote something that we as

764
00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:03,940
people interested in UFOs want to see

765
00:31:08,340 --> 00:31:06,040
more of so where is the failing here and

766
00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:08,350
it is a bit strange so we have again a

767
00:31:11,700 --> 00:31:09,880
non UFO oriented

768
00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:11,710
source you know like New York magazine

769
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,350
coming out and talking about the end of

770
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:16,480
UFOs and it is a little strange to me

771
00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:17,650
because and it wasn't the first time

772
00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:19,660
this has been said I was at the

773
00:31:23,250 --> 00:31:21,700
International UFO Congress both you guys

774
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,260
were there in fact gods I don't think

775
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:25,120
you made it to that one but if you were

776
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,250
I apologize if I'm wrong but but I know

777
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:29,440
at least three of us read that in 2013 I

778
00:31:34,289 --> 00:31:31,570
was lecturing that year on my book the

779
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UFO singularity the skeptical bloggers

780
00:31:37,409 --> 00:31:35,770
Robert Schafer of course who I've spoken

781
00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:37,419
with a few times in the past he was

782
00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:38,950
there but a lot of the skeptical

783
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:41,320
bloggers were talking about you know the

784
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:43,210
the the issues that different people

785
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:44,590
were bringing up at the conference and

786
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:45,970
there was this big hubbub

787
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:48,250
are we seeing the end of ufology is the

788
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,290
field eating itself we've seen this

789
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,760
whole issue with Bigelow and all these

790
00:31:55,230 --> 00:31:53,440
things with MUFON you know it's just

791
00:31:57,030 --> 00:31:55,240
collapsing in on itself and I'm thinking

792
00:31:59,580 --> 00:31:57,040
but that's always what people from

793
00:32:01,950 --> 00:31:59,590
outside the circles of UFO research have

794
00:32:03,450 --> 00:32:01,960
to say mica they have been saying that

795
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:03,460
for 40 years

796
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:05,860
yeah they've been saying the same thing

797
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,050
the UFO field is failing people have

798
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:10,240
given it up they're not interested and

799
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:11,350
then of course you have a couple of

800
00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:13,420
sightings again into the papers and it's

801
00:32:17,370 --> 00:32:14,740
back there again

802
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:17,380
and we seem to forget here that in 2012

803
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:20,580
and 2013 there were numerous UFO

804
00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:23,650
sightings around the world so maybe we

805
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:26,440
don't have Millennials going to UFO

806
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:28,690
conventions but a lot of people was sure

807
00:32:32,370 --> 00:32:30,760
seeing them look at the Stephenville

808
00:32:34,290 --> 00:32:32,380
case you know from a few years ago

809
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:34,300
Stephenville Texas I actually had a I

810
00:32:37,710 --> 00:32:36,250
consider a very good photograph that was

811
00:32:39,390 --> 00:32:37,720
sent along with me by a friend who had

812
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:39,400
been contacted by a police officer in

813
00:32:43,500 --> 00:32:41,650
the area and he told an incredible story

814
00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:43,510
the story went like this that he and his

815
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:45,430
partner were traveling on in their in

816
00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:47,290
their police car they said that there

817
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:48,790
was dashcam video of this that they were

818
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:50,980
not entitled at that time to release and

819
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:52,090
to my knowledge it was never released

820
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:53,440
but what they said was that they were

821
00:32:56,850 --> 00:32:55,330
responding to a report of lights in a

822
00:32:58,800 --> 00:32:56,860
field within the vicinity of

823
00:33:01,590 --> 00:32:58,810
Stephenville Texas as they're driving

824
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:01,600
out they see two orange orbs kind of

825
00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:03,550
hovering over this this wide area and

826
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:05,950
they get out of the car now it is pretty

827
00:33:09,870 --> 00:33:07,930
standard that in many cases police

828
00:33:11,550 --> 00:33:09,880
officers do keep cameras with him there

829
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:11,560
was a case back in 2000 I think in

830
00:33:15,210 --> 00:33:13,510
southern Illinois that involved multiple

831
00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:15,220
police departments chasing one of these

832
00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:17,350
large triangle aircraft similar to those

833
00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:18,940
that were reported over Stephenville

834
00:33:24,210 --> 00:33:21,190
back in I think was a 2008 guys I think

835
00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:24,220
it was 2008 yeah so in this instance yes

836
00:33:27,930 --> 00:33:25,780
this police officer also had a camera

837
00:33:30,150 --> 00:33:27,940
and they say as they watch these orange

838
00:33:32,550 --> 00:33:30,160
orbs begin to ascend upward as they come

839
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:32,560
up within you know just a few maybe feet

840
00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:34,510
few yards of them they get out of the

841
00:33:38,490 --> 00:33:36,310
car and they're ascending upward toward

842
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:38,500
another object a large triangular craft

843
00:33:42,060 --> 00:33:40,090
with three points of light on the on the

844
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:42,070
corners that's also ascending upward and

845
00:33:45,180 --> 00:33:43,690
as it is ascending at a high rate of

846
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:45,190
speed they say that the orange orbs

847
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,650
travel upward and connect with it which

848
00:33:51,510 --> 00:33:49,600
let's point out is consistent with the

849
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,520
Belgian triangle cases from the 1990s

850
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:53,200
and the value that they're these

851
00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:54,970
independently moving orbs that will

852
00:33:58,690 --> 00:33:56,950
ascend toward and move independently

853
00:34:00,610 --> 00:33:58,700
with and then later rejoin

854
00:34:02,350 --> 00:34:00,620
Center portion of the base of one of

855
00:34:05,170 --> 00:34:02,360
these triangular craft is whatever that

856
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:05,180
technology is whoever's that is it seems

857
00:34:09,130 --> 00:34:07,370
extremely exotic extremely advanced and

858
00:34:10,870 --> 00:34:09,140
there were pretty good photographs taken

859
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:10,880
of this that were sent along to me which

860
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:12,050
of course I've published at graylien

861
00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:12,890
report.com

862
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:14,780
what's even more compelling is that this

863
00:34:18,130 --> 00:34:16,610
was a police officer purportedly who is

864
00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:18,140
saying that and he remained anonymous

865
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:19,820
and that's the big problem that we face

866
00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:21,410
of course in this field is the great

867
00:34:25,300 --> 00:34:23,540
photograph great story and a person who

868
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:25,310
by virtue of his position with police

869
00:34:28,420 --> 00:34:27,290
couldn't talk about his what had

870
00:34:30,460 --> 00:34:28,430
actually happened and give his actual

871
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:30,470
name as a member of law enforcement but

872
00:34:33,610 --> 00:34:32,090
so many aspects of that were consistent

873
00:34:35,350 --> 00:34:33,620
with what was already being reported

874
00:34:37,060 --> 00:34:35,360
Angela Joyner had been commenting on

875
00:34:38,770 --> 00:34:37,070
this spec down there at the time this

876
00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:38,780
was happening which some say even led to

877
00:34:42,130 --> 00:34:40,790
her losing her job as a reporter and it

878
00:34:43,660 --> 00:34:42,140
was consistent with other cases where

879
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:43,670
these large triangles have been seen

880
00:34:48,070 --> 00:34:46,010
2,000 in Illinois the 1990s in Belgium

881
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:48,080
so certainly there are cases that are

882
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:49,520
better representations than the

883
00:34:53,140 --> 00:34:50,930
ambiguous lights that the mainstream

884
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:53,150
media constantly tries to you know force

885
00:34:56,650 --> 00:34:55,610
fetus and call them UFOs and I think

886
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:56,660
that that's where a lot of the laughs

887
00:35:00,910 --> 00:34:58,850
factor comes from is that maybe with

888
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them with the saturation of media today

889
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:03,110
and the availability of it worldwide on

890
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:05,570
the web the stuff that we are given and

891
00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:08,480
told is oh here's a UFO it's it's hardly

892
00:35:11,470 --> 00:35:09,620
the best representation of the

893
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phenomenon one of the big problems we

894
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:13,670
see here of course is the emphasis we're

895
00:35:17,410 --> 00:35:15,410
guilty of it the emphasis on these

896
00:35:18,970 --> 00:35:17,420
classic cases so it's all about Roswell

897
00:35:22,030 --> 00:35:18,980
and of course we'll get into it later

898
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,040
when James carrion did his book the

899
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Rosetta deception and by the way he's

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offering it free at his web site right

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now there's a link in our forums if you

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want to get a copy if you bought a copy

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already he's not going to send your

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refund for a printed copy but he's got

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the eBook version he's offering free the

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key here is he's talking about efforts

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during and after world war ii to engage

908
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in disinformation primarily to impact

909
00:35:48,610 --> 00:35:45,170
the russians but the point here is that

910
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,620
maybe some of the early UFO events were

911
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,720
not real there were tests aircraft that

912
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,400
were real in that sense but they weren't

913
00:35:57,340 --> 00:35:54,800
spaceships or anything unusual and we're

914
00:35:59,350 --> 00:35:57,350
still focusing a lot on that but we have

915
00:36:01,450 --> 00:35:59,360
to come back to all the sightings people

916
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:01,460
have reported in recent years as big

917
00:36:07,870 --> 00:36:05,450
number of UFO cases from Canada where I

918
00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:07,880
saw one in which some children had this

919
00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:09,940
very detailed drawing of

920
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:12,460
craft that they saw it's pretty clear

921
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,569
from the description it's not

922
00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:15,760
conventional and it's not a military

923
00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:18,220
test aircraft I wouldn't think maybe

924
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:20,140
that happened with the early UFO cases

925
00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:23,050
that kind of got this field started off

926
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but not now but unfortunately we

927
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continue to have to focus on that and

928
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reality TV shows about UFOs also focus

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heavily on this stuff that isn't always

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hello this is rosemary ellen guiley and

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you're listening to the podcast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

1039
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Makai joins gene and Chris in the

1040
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power cast with Micah Hanks and we're

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talking about

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I don't know ain't it awful the sad

1043
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state of ufology is that words it's all

1044
00:41:42,549 --> 00:41:40,940
about me somewhat well there's you know

1045
00:41:43,329 --> 00:41:42,559
I'd like to kind of chime in here

1046
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quickly

1047
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I also see the detrimental blurring of

1048
00:41:54,099 --> 00:41:51,710
the lines with some of these CGI hoaxes

1049
00:41:57,099 --> 00:41:54,109
that are being touted Israel by

1050
00:42:00,730 --> 00:41:57,109
unscrupulous websites I think that we're

1051
00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:00,740
seeing a the rise of a kind of a

1052
00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:05,740
mythological version of these images and

1053
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what I mean by that is I think many of

1054
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these hoaxes are easy to spot because

1055
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they are fanciful you know creations

1056
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based on a pop-culture view of these

1057
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:21,349
objects and it's very simple I think to

1058
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see the real objects versus the hoaxed

1059
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:28,160
ones because the real objects are

1060
00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:30,859
showing the effect that they're having

1061
00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:32,540
on the environment whether it's in the

1062
00:42:39,460 --> 00:42:37,000
air or on you know in any sort of citing

1063
00:42:42,730 --> 00:42:39,470
relationship with the viewer you're

1064
00:42:46,059 --> 00:42:42,740
seeing ionization you're seeing plasma

1065
00:42:48,849 --> 00:42:46,069
type effects there's a Ray Stanford has

1066
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:48,859
identified these ghost images that seem

1067
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:50,930
to to indicate some sort of time

1068
00:42:56,740 --> 00:42:54,319
compression these hoax videos are kind

1069
00:42:59,170 --> 00:42:56,750
of based on a a pop-culture view that

1070
00:43:03,390 --> 00:42:59,180
we've been sort of maintaining since the

1071
00:43:06,579 --> 00:43:03,400
50s of you know your your hubcap style

1072
00:43:09,940 --> 00:43:06,589
UFO some of these hoaxes are getting

1073
00:43:12,789 --> 00:43:09,950
much more fantasy pronin fanciful but my

1074
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,799
point is that we're seeing a blurring of

1075
00:43:16,930 --> 00:43:15,200
the lines I don't think that that this

1076
00:43:19,329 --> 00:43:16,940
is doing the field any good I think

1077
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:19,339
we're being oversaturated with images

1078
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that to the average person may or may

1079
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not be real and to the researcher it's

1080
00:43:30,970 --> 00:43:28,910
just creating a way more noise than

1081
00:43:32,650 --> 00:43:30,980
necessary and it's harder and harder to

1082
00:43:35,470 --> 00:43:32,660
find the signal and wade through all

1083
00:43:36,970 --> 00:43:35,480
that noise what do you guys think well I

1084
00:43:40,299 --> 00:43:36,980
just want to say really quickly that is

1085
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:40,309
a spot-on analysis right there Chris I

1086
00:43:42,099 --> 00:43:40,970
couldn't agree

1087
00:43:43,870 --> 00:43:42,109
more I talked about that in the UFO

1088
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:43,880
singularity and you know being somebody

1089
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,710
who marries a website like the graylien

1090
00:43:48,609 --> 00:43:47,359
Report where I try to feature news about

1091
00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:48,619
this kind of thing and I try to feature

1092
00:43:51,339 --> 00:43:49,670
quality content

1093
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:51,349
sometimes it's light-hearted trying to

1094
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:53,390
take myself too seriously

1095
00:43:56,650 --> 00:43:55,250
but I even worry sometimes because of

1096
00:43:58,300 --> 00:43:56,660
the saturation and the fact that we're

1097
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,310
being inundated with so much of this now

1098
00:44:03,130 --> 00:44:01,280
we when it comes to a mythology of what

1099
00:44:04,839 --> 00:44:03,140
we see in the literature being

1100
00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:04,849
represented in hoaxes yeah that's a

1101
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:06,470
great assessment of the situation and

1102
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,090
furthermore I think that that's also one

1103
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:09,920
of the best indications of what is

1104
00:44:13,450 --> 00:44:11,270
likely a hoax because you got to take

1105
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:13,460
into consideration let's say I was a fan

1106
00:44:17,170 --> 00:44:14,960
of Sherlock Holmes when I was a kid

1107
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,180
still em and read all the stories I'm a

1108
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:19,040
big fan of trying to apply the science

1109
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:20,990
of deduction or scientific logic and

1110
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:23,210
scientific methodology to assessment and

1111
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:25,310
analysis of virtually all things but

1112
00:44:30,099 --> 00:44:27,770
let's do UFOs right now if there is a

1113
00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:30,109
technology that is so rated readily

1114
00:44:33,790 --> 00:44:31,550
available which obviously there is not

1115
00:44:35,859 --> 00:44:33,800
hence the you know the issue that we

1116
00:44:37,390 --> 00:44:35,869
have with trying to properly document it

1117
00:44:39,099 --> 00:44:37,400
we would have to presume if it were

1118
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:39,109
easily documental and everybody we're

1119
00:44:42,099 --> 00:44:40,250
seeing these things that these things

1120
00:44:45,130 --> 00:44:42,109
wanted to be seen because of technology

1121
00:44:46,990 --> 00:44:45,140
with this kind of advancement that it

1122
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:47,000
seems apparent with the UFO phenomenon

1123
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,250
in the best nuts-and-bolts cases okay I

1124
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:51,440
think would have to also be capable of

1125
00:44:54,609 --> 00:44:52,730
what we're already trying to do and from

1126
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:54,619
if we and I hope not to anthropomorphize

1127
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,170
this too much by stating it in this way

1128
00:45:01,690 --> 00:44:59,839
but but if we have the technology to use

1129
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:01,700
jamming programs and stealth

1130
00:45:05,410 --> 00:45:03,800
technologies to make it less evident

1131
00:45:06,910 --> 00:45:05,420
when we are flying through the air and

1132
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:06,920
you know million dollar aircraft and

1133
00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:08,810
things like this I would presume that a

1134
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:11,510
technology is as advanced as the UFO

1135
00:45:15,130 --> 00:45:13,010
phenomenon appears to be would do the

1136
00:45:17,410 --> 00:45:15,140
same although that could indeed be a

1137
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:17,420
slightly human kind of a perspective on

1138
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:19,490
things these whatever these are and I

1139
00:45:22,900 --> 00:45:20,720
like to think that a majority of them

1140
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:22,910
may be our earthly vessels and

1141
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:25,190
terrestrial technologies maybe they are

1142
00:45:28,930 --> 00:45:27,770
at all maybe they aren't all but but you

1143
00:45:30,339 --> 00:45:28,940
know we have to be careful because in

1144
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:30,349
the event that some of them are not we

1145
00:45:34,750 --> 00:45:32,240
can't suppose that there's going to be a

1146
00:45:36,579 --> 00:45:34,760
human approach to logic as we would

1147
00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:36,589
employ it but I have to presume that if

1148
00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:37,880
there are some of these that are perhaps

1149
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:41,540
earthbound or terrestrial origin vessels

1150
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:43,520
that probably stealth would be employed

1151
00:45:47,770 --> 00:45:46,130
and hence if a hoax shows up that shows

1152
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:47,780
something that appears too good to be

1153
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:49,369
true it probably is because it defies

1154
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:51,140
the logic that we would hope would be

1155
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:53,330
present in conjunction with the

1156
00:45:58,060 --> 00:45:54,880
operation of such craft

1157
00:46:00,670 --> 00:45:58,070
but don't you think mica that we really

1158
00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:00,680
don't have a set of rules yet know what

1159
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:03,220
UFOs are I mean we're sitting here what

1160
00:46:08,410 --> 00:46:06,200
more than six decades after Kenneth

1161
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:08,420
Arnold's UFO sighting and we could still

1162
00:46:14,260 --> 00:46:10,910
really talk about the possibility that

1163
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:14,270
what he saw was test aircraft and that

1164
00:46:20,650 --> 00:46:17,870
the reaction to that sighting came as a

1165
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:20,660
matter more of timing and maybe the

1166
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:22,490
approach taken by journalists more than

1167
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:25,130
the value of the case and as a result we

1168
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:28,490
had this early mythology that took us to

1169
00:46:33,340 --> 00:46:31,280
places where we may not have otherwise

1170
00:46:35,590 --> 00:46:33,350
visited not to say there wasn't a real

1171
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:35,600
phenomenon but that kind of muddied the

1172
00:46:40,810 --> 00:46:38,180
waters early on well I was just agreeing

1173
00:46:43,330 --> 00:46:40,820
with Gene on that I think that you know

1174
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:43,340
we're still seeing the the repercussions

1175
00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:45,410
and the echoes of those early images

1176
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,060
from the day the earth stood still in

1177
00:46:52,510 --> 00:46:49,760
some of the you know the what was that

1178
00:46:54,220 --> 00:46:52,520
flying saucers invade the earth or

1179
00:46:56,590 --> 00:46:54,230
whatever where he had the big disks

1180
00:46:58,740 --> 00:46:56,600
going into DC flying down the streets

1181
00:47:02,620 --> 00:46:58,750
knocking over the Washington Monument

1182
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:02,630
earth vs. the flying saucers right the

1183
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:05,680
one with Ray Harryhausen special effects

1184
00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:08,800
influenced by a major Donald Kehoe book

1185
00:47:16,180 --> 00:47:12,950
that they bought and Kehoe was forever

1186
00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:16,190
forever disenchanted and embarrassed go

1187
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:18,500
on well you know guys I'll say this what

1188
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:20,450
what we end up with as a result of all

1189
00:47:26,260 --> 00:47:23,870
that is a phenomenon whose reputation

1190
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:26,270
precedes it okay in other words the

1191
00:47:30,610 --> 00:47:28,370
expectations that the media and that the

1192
00:47:32,620 --> 00:47:30,620
silver screen have projected onto what

1193
00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:32,630
we presume space vehicles will be like

1194
00:47:37,390 --> 00:47:35,240
actually forever colors I think what is

1195
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:37,400
actually reported not to say that there

1196
00:47:40,660 --> 00:47:38,690
aren't good reports of you know

1197
00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:40,670
disc-shaped or or even saucer shaped

1198
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:42,470
craft but you know very concisely and

1199
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:43,790
quickly we can say about Kenneth Arnold

1200
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:46,310
- what he reported initially is not

1201
00:47:51,220 --> 00:47:48,230
whatever the course of maybe a few weeks

1202
00:47:53,650 --> 00:47:51,230
or a few months he later said that he

1203
00:47:55,330 --> 00:47:53,660
had seen and the whole saucer thing I do

1204
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:55,340
think really stems from the journalists

1205
00:47:59,470 --> 00:47:57,770
in his description of seeing objects

1206
00:48:00,970 --> 00:47:59,480
that flew erratically like saucers

1207
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:00,980
skipping across water that's where the

1208
00:48:04,420 --> 00:48:02,390
whole flying saucer meme initially

1209
00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:04,430
originated the problem is weeks and

1210
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:06,230
months later even Kenneth Arnold was

1211
00:48:08,110 --> 00:48:07,190
saying well I think that some of the

1212
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:08,120
crafts were discs

1213
00:48:11,950 --> 00:48:10,250
at least one of them he said was still

1214
00:48:13,690 --> 00:48:11,960
that original flying-wing kind of shape

1215
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:13,700
that he had initially I think said that

1216
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:15,770
they all were so and their studies guys

1217
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:17,470
that show psychologically that a person

1218
00:48:21,820 --> 00:48:20,090
typically will update their memories and

1219
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:21,830
they aren't lying it's just that as

1220
00:48:25,450 --> 00:48:23,690
memory of course you know fails from

1221
00:48:26,860 --> 00:48:25,460
time to time we tend to update memories

1222
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:26,870
and things that we once saw and

1223
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:29,630
perceived as we remember it later it is

1224
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:31,130
a little different and it changes in our

1225
00:48:35,590 --> 00:48:33,290
mind over time no this is why the

1226
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:35,600
research into Roswell is so difficult

1227
00:48:41,980 --> 00:48:40,310
because the actual pursuit after the

1228
00:48:46,690 --> 00:48:41,990
initial event occurred thirty years

1229
00:48:48,660 --> 00:48:46,700
later and trying to put that together in

1230
00:48:51,370 --> 00:48:48,670
relationship to what really happened

1231
00:48:53,620 --> 00:48:51,380
it's really difficult it had 30 years to

1232
00:48:58,810 --> 00:48:53,630
live with science fiction films Star

1233
00:49:00,280 --> 00:48:58,820
Trek UFOs etc etc yeah yeah again the

1234
00:49:02,650 --> 00:49:00,290
reputation precedes the actual

1235
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:02,660
phenomenon and and hints you know our

1236
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:04,310
perception is somewhat colored you know

1237
00:49:08,190 --> 00:49:05,750
Roswell again is an interesting one I

1238
00:49:10,570 --> 00:49:08,200
think that uh my colleague dr. John Ward

1239
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:10,580
had said to me on one occasion when I

1240
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:12,890
was trying to make a case for you know

1241
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:16,250
being I think UFO research having a

1242
00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:17,810
greater presence at an event like

1243
00:49:21,580 --> 00:49:20,030
paradigm symposium which you know just

1244
00:49:22,810 --> 00:49:21,590
for the record I'm still involved with

1245
00:49:26,050 --> 00:49:22,820
I'm no longer one of the chief

1246
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:26,060
coordinators I like participating in in

1247
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:28,010
planning events but you know research is

1248
00:49:31,690 --> 00:49:30,050
really what's key to me Scotty and John

1249
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:31,700
are still carrying that on Goodman that

1250
00:49:35,770 --> 00:49:33,890
they are and at one point when I tried

1251
00:49:37,780 --> 00:49:35,780
to you know argue for why we couldn't

1252
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:37,790
have more UFO discussion at an event

1253
00:49:41,050 --> 00:49:39,650
like paradigm symposium John's response

1254
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,060
and I think it's an honest response for

1255
00:49:45,250 --> 00:49:43,280
someone who isn't maybe any more than

1256
00:49:47,590 --> 00:49:45,260
peripherally interested in UFOs his

1257
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:47,600
response was but brother how much more

1258
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:49,490
can we say about Roswell and I'm

1259
00:49:53,290 --> 00:49:52,010
thinking this is the problem that we

1260
00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:53,300
have a case that to me is extremely

1261
00:49:56,980 --> 00:49:55,190
nebulous especially after all the

1262
00:49:59,410 --> 00:49:56,990
information that's been amassed over the

1263
00:50:01,240 --> 00:49:59,420
years and yet this is a fundamental

1264
00:50:03,460 --> 00:50:01,250
evidence for people basically outside

1265
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:03,470
the UFO community or maybe a

1266
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,690
representation I should say of what UFOs

1267
00:50:09,220 --> 00:50:07,520
are to a lot of people you say UFOs and

1268
00:50:12,070 --> 00:50:09,230
they think about a disc crash landing in

1269
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:12,080
Roswell in 1947 there's a lot more that

1270
00:50:15,070 --> 00:50:13,370
could be said about that case and maybe

1271
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:15,080
a lot less that I think is truly

1272
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:17,690
representative of ufology well we're not

1273
00:50:22,030 --> 00:50:21,530
going into detail there is a length Lee

1274
00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:22,040
discuss

1275
00:50:31,530 --> 00:50:26,200
and thread our forums where someone is

1276
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:31,540
claiming that one of the early alloys

1277
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:35,690
the memory metal nickel titanium that

1278
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:37,850
kind of thing that maybe that was

1279
00:50:43,450 --> 00:50:40,730
influenced by ET technology and the

1280
00:50:47,110 --> 00:50:43,460
logic I came to was if you're gonna say

1281
00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:47,120
that anything in our developmental

1282
00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:49,840
history was influenced by ET technology

1283
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:53,990
first look at the history take e.t or

1284
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:56,930
Roswell out of the equation see if the

1285
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:58,970
logic of the history and the theory fits

1286
00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:01,520
and if it does end of story

1287
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:04,790
we'll see what happens and so if you

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you had a question

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less a question dime and you slant to

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the topic something I'm very interested

1340
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in and that I have asked you guys to ask

1341
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questions of various guests over time if

1342
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you remember when Colonel Charles halt

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was on you asked one of my questions

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which was do you think there is a

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control group ie a group that of a

1346
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:41,970
secret group of officials or whatever

1347
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:45,690
who keep an eye on the UFO topic try to

1348
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:48,300
keep it quiet to cover things up lariato

1349
00:54:54,350 --> 00:54:51,530
that kind of thing and I'm constantly

1350
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,360
going between two points of view

1351
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:56,880
thinking well they certainly seem to

1352
00:55:02,840 --> 00:54:59,940
have been major events in ufology where

1353
00:55:06,050 --> 00:55:02,850
it seems that something has definitely

1354
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:06,060
been clamped down on you know officials

1355
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:07,980
Air Force officials whatever seem to

1356
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:09,780
appear quite quickly and say you know

1357
00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:12,570
don't talk about it remove evidence what

1358
00:55:19,730 --> 00:55:15,390
have you but at the other hand I think

1359
00:55:21,730 --> 00:55:19,740
well how could such a group be how could

1360
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:21,740
it keep going through the decades

1361
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:24,720
without everyone knowing about it

1362
00:55:30,110 --> 00:55:26,850
because you know from from from where

1363
00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:30,120
are the members chosen how is it how

1364
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:32,420
does it manage to kind of bypass

1365
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:34,680
presidential control from one

1366
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:37,260
administration to the next or you know

1367
00:55:42,830 --> 00:55:40,380
whatever so I kind of like to ask Micah

1368
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:42,840
what he thinks about you know is there a

1369
00:55:49,100 --> 00:55:47,010
control group for ufology I've seen some

1370
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,110
compelling evidence of that over the

1371
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:50,880
years and we can look at it a number of

1372
00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:52,410
ways you know whether we look at the

1373
00:55:57,319 --> 00:55:54,780
classic idea of majestic 12 which I

1374
00:55:59,029 --> 00:55:57,329
don't buy that I think that maybe

1375
00:56:02,809 --> 00:55:59,039
aspects of the mess majestic 12

1376
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:02,819
mythology were maybe based on you know

1377
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:04,410
some things that were rooted in truth

1378
00:56:07,279 --> 00:56:06,089
but I think it's pretty obvious and of

1379
00:56:08,779 --> 00:56:07,289
course thanks to the work of a number of

1380
00:56:10,430 --> 00:56:08,789
researchers including Robert Hastings

1381
00:56:13,219 --> 00:56:10,440
and others over the years it's pretty

1382
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,229
obvious majestic 12 as documented and

1383
00:56:16,819 --> 00:56:15,119
released to the UFO community a few

1384
00:56:18,769 --> 00:56:16,829
decades ago is probably not what

1385
00:56:20,839 --> 00:56:18,779
actually was Nick Redfern has talked

1386
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:20,849
about this um you know Collins elite

1387
00:56:25,009 --> 00:56:22,920
there have been different manifestations

1388
00:56:26,690 --> 00:56:25,019
of a purported group you know that or

1389
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:26,700
several probably that you know work

1390
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,140
behind the scenes and have interest in

1391
00:56:33,709 --> 00:56:31,920
UFOs I'm reminded of this some of this

1392
00:56:36,019 --> 00:56:33,719
statement that I guess it was Jimmy

1393
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,029
Carter had said that upon assuming the

1394
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:37,680
presidency he had asked then CIA

1395
00:56:41,809 --> 00:56:39,119
director George Herbert Walker Bush

1396
00:56:44,359 --> 00:56:41,819
about information on UFOs to which Bush

1397
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:44,369
had said well mr. president you don't

1398
00:56:50,180 --> 00:56:46,410
have a need to know for that information

1399
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:50,190
if that is indeed true the question I

1400
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:52,140
guess one might posit is well if not the

1401
00:56:56,089 --> 00:56:53,729
commander in chief of the United States

1402
00:56:57,979 --> 00:56:56,099
of America then who who has of a

1403
00:57:00,559 --> 00:56:57,989
need-to-know for that information but it

1404
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,569
could be that it is a security issue and

1405
00:57:05,299 --> 00:57:02,640
that whether or not the CIA the NSA the

1406
00:57:07,789 --> 00:57:05,309
FBI or any other agency of three letters

1407
00:57:10,339 --> 00:57:07,799
or whatever whether or not they have all

1408
00:57:12,859 --> 00:57:10,349
the secret details on whatever UFO

1409
00:57:14,420 --> 00:57:12,869
phenomenon really is or is not it very

1410
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:14,430
well may be that what information they

1411
00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:16,170
have collected is of national importance

1412
00:57:19,339 --> 00:57:17,849
and it may not be a situation that the

1413
00:57:20,989 --> 00:57:19,349
president necessarily has to have all

1414
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:20,999
the details about that now whether or

1415
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:22,650
not we agree with that that to me is

1416
00:57:27,229 --> 00:57:24,660
unlikely at how these organizations

1417
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:27,239
probably operate and frankly these Intel

1418
00:57:30,829 --> 00:57:28,799
agencies often don't share information

1419
00:57:32,689 --> 00:57:30,839
even with one another let alone our

1420
00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:32,699
elected officials not other thing I

1421
00:57:37,459 --> 00:57:33,839
think that should be pointed out though

1422
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,469
too is that in the absence of being able

1423
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:40,079
to come to a logical determination about

1424
00:57:43,549 --> 00:57:41,849
this phenomenon which gene is you had

1425
00:57:45,439 --> 00:57:43,559
just said we don't really have a set of

1426
00:57:47,539 --> 00:57:45,449
rules or guidelines nobody has written

1427
00:57:50,449 --> 00:57:47,549
in my opinion a convincing handbook

1428
00:57:52,459 --> 00:57:50,459
about what the UFO phenomenon is we look

1429
00:57:54,620 --> 00:57:52,469
at some of these you know some of these

1430
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:54,630
researchers who have over the years

1431
00:57:59,029 --> 00:57:56,609
maintained the validity of things like

1432
00:58:00,979 --> 00:57:59,039
majestic 12 we look at people like John

1433
00:58:02,749 --> 00:58:00,989
Alexander who say just the opposite and

1434
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:02,759
then we see guys like grant Cameron who

1435
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:04,410
I respect but you know there was a bit

1436
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:05,849
of a gaffe of a few months ago when he

1437
00:58:09,380 --> 00:58:07,859
pointed out that majestic 12 wasn't

1438
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:09,390
mentioned in Alexander's book when in

1439
00:58:13,690 --> 00:58:11,090
fact there was an entire chapter

1440
00:58:15,130 --> 00:58:13,700
in the most recent book that John

1441
00:58:17,020 --> 00:58:15,140
Alexander had written on the subject and

1442
00:58:18,910 --> 00:58:17,030
I think that what we see is rather than

1443
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:18,920
shoddy research or a secret you know

1444
00:58:22,690 --> 00:58:21,050
conspiracy that Alexander's a part of I

1445
00:58:24,460 --> 00:58:22,700
think what we see is first with

1446
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:24,470
Alexander an individual who having

1447
00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:25,790
worked in government did his best to

1448
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,470
determine if there was such a control

1449
00:58:32,740 --> 00:58:29,920
group and found no evidence based on his

1450
00:58:34,270 --> 00:58:32,750
legitimate exploration in two levels of

1451
00:58:36,460 --> 00:58:34,280
government known and accessible to him

1452
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:36,470
that was evidence of that and then I

1453
00:58:39,940 --> 00:58:37,610
think we see among the research

1454
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:39,950
community people who at times don't

1455
00:58:43,210 --> 00:58:41,510
realize that they are engaged in

1456
00:58:45,790 --> 00:58:43,220
something of a willful dismissal based

1457
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:45,800
on a I think a presumptive attitude that

1458
00:58:49,780 --> 00:58:47,450
they approach this subject with and

1459
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:49,790
numerous people some who I'm I'm friends

1460
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,370
with still maintain certain degrees of

1461
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:55,040
belief in things like mj-12 Roswell and

1462
00:58:59,560 --> 00:58:56,570
a lot of these famous cases for which

1463
00:59:01,480 --> 00:58:59,570
there are staunchly varying opinions on

1464
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,490
a good person to look at in relation to

1465
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:03,920
I think Roswell would be a Kevin Randle

1466
00:59:07,540 --> 00:59:06,110
his perspectives on that case having

1467
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:07,550
studied it for so long and having

1468
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:09,890
changed his opinion so much over time as

1469
00:59:14,170 --> 00:59:12,290
his skepticism grew I think that that

1470
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:14,180
gives you know a very good summary of

1471
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:15,410
really how we all have to look at the

1472
00:59:19,150 --> 00:59:17,210
UFO community we have to look at all the

1473
00:59:20,590 --> 00:59:19,160
evidence and we can't be beholden to

1474
00:59:22,540 --> 00:59:20,600
hoping that there's a belief because

1475
00:59:25,090 --> 00:59:22,550
guys science doesn't seek to prove

1476
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:25,100
science good science seeks to disprove

1477
00:59:28,330 --> 00:59:27,170
hypotheses and you know when you're left

1478
00:59:29,830 --> 00:59:28,340
with something that you can't disprove

1479
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:29,840
then you have a good theory to work with

1480
00:59:34,150 --> 00:59:32,000
I think so unfortunately there is a lot

1481
00:59:36,130 --> 00:59:34,160
of kind of preconception bias and

1482
00:59:38,410 --> 00:59:36,140
hopeful belief among the UFO community

1483
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:38,420
that leads to things being overlooked

1484
00:59:42,670 --> 00:59:40,130
from time to time whether or not that

1485
00:59:44,860 --> 00:59:42,680
again is evidence of or the lack thereof

1486
00:59:46,690 --> 00:59:44,870
of some sort of a control group I don't

1487
00:59:48,430 --> 00:59:46,700
know but I think that many people for

1488
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:48,440
lack of any better understanding of what

1489
00:59:52,300 --> 00:59:50,570
this phenomenon represents I think like

1490
00:59:54,610 --> 00:59:52,310
to hope that there's somebody out there

1491
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:54,620
who is controlling maybe the closest

1492
00:59:58,660 --> 00:59:56,450
that we've really come that we do have

1493
01:00:00,070 --> 00:59:58,670
evidence of that is I think with the

1494
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:00,080
release of documents pertaining to

1495
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:02,210
things like mj-12 that are so obviously

1496
01:00:06,220 --> 01:00:04,250
hoaxed there has probably been an

1497
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:06,230
attempt to use what is perceived as the

1498
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:09,200
UFO phenomenon to control people who are

1499
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:10,730
UFO researchers for purposes of

1500
01:00:14,140 --> 01:00:13,040
dissemination of information that is

1501
01:00:16,030 --> 01:00:14,150
going to be misleading to the public

1502
01:00:18,670 --> 01:00:16,040
probably with hopes of covering things

1503
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:18,680
like actual stealth aircraft programs in

1504
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:21,530
the life totally be with your analysis

1505
01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:23,920
mica and also I would like to

1506
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:26,500
that reading John Alexander's book it

1507
01:00:31,019 --> 01:00:29,440
dawned on me that the one agency or

1508
01:00:33,450 --> 01:00:31,029
organization within government that

1509
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:33,460
probably is sitting on the most amount

1510
01:00:38,250 --> 01:00:36,210
of data would be the NRO in charge of

1511
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:38,260
monitoring you know our satellite

1512
01:00:42,269 --> 01:00:40,089
activity and the equipment aboard those

1513
01:00:44,670 --> 01:00:42,279
satellites whether it's for terrestrial

1514
01:00:46,140 --> 01:00:44,680
spine or intelligence gathering

1515
01:00:49,529 --> 01:00:46,150
electronic intelligence gathering

1516
01:00:52,109 --> 01:00:49,539
purposes but he doesn't mention the NRO

1517
01:00:55,410 --> 01:00:52,119
one time in his book and I think that

1518
01:00:57,150 --> 01:00:55,420
that's a very telling statement oh the

1519
01:00:58,769 --> 01:00:57,160
on statement if you will I've got a

1520
01:01:01,170 --> 01:00:58,779
couple of things to say about John

1521
01:01:03,799 --> 01:01:01,180
Alexander and one is that I do

1522
01:01:06,420 --> 01:01:03,809
understand his point that you know he

1523
01:01:09,329 --> 01:01:06,430
genuinely tried to find out if there was

1524
01:01:11,609 --> 01:01:09,339
a cover-up and I'll have you but if

1525
01:01:13,170 --> 01:01:11,619
there is a cover-up if there is any kind

1526
01:01:16,529 --> 01:01:13,180
of control group I don't necessarily

1527
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,539
think even a colonel in you know

1528
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:18,640
non-lethal weapons research is

1529
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:21,000
necessarily gonna have even remotely the

1530
01:01:26,579 --> 01:01:24,160
access that would be required he has no

1531
01:01:28,740 --> 01:01:26,589
need to know know exactly if the

1532
01:01:31,319 --> 01:01:28,750
president doesn't then ensure a coroner

1533
01:01:34,380 --> 01:01:31,329
colonel not directly involved wouldn't

1534
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:34,390
have and I know I was in I worked at

1535
01:01:42,269 --> 01:01:39,609
Britain's NSA GCHQ and I was in Naval

1536
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:42,279
Intelligence and I know from that that

1537
01:01:45,390 --> 01:01:43,359
that's the whole point to it you just

1538
01:01:47,999 --> 01:01:45,400
simply don't need if you're not working

1539
01:01:49,710 --> 01:01:48,009
on something directly then you don't

1540
01:01:51,690 --> 01:01:49,720
have any reason to know about it and you

1541
01:01:53,039 --> 01:01:51,700
shouldn't know about it so if we're

1542
01:01:55,019 --> 01:01:53,049
talking about the thing that's

1543
01:01:57,569 --> 01:01:55,029
supposedly you know a more secret than

1544
01:02:00,720 --> 01:01:57,579
the atom bomb and what-have-you

1545
01:02:03,170 --> 01:02:00,730
then John Alexander and all respect to

1546
01:02:06,299 --> 01:02:03,180
him would be very very far away from

1547
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:06,309
getting to the inside but and also

1548
01:02:10,589 --> 01:02:08,319
another point is the whole thing about

1549
01:02:12,690 --> 01:02:10,599
when governments militaries were ever

1550
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:12,700
unlike the profess that they're not

1551
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:16,210
interested in UFO topic I just find it

1552
01:02:22,499 --> 01:02:19,710
utterly inconceivable that if there are

1553
01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:22,509
suspected craft flying about that have

1554
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:24,940
this super advanced technology there

1555
01:02:29,460 --> 01:02:27,250
isn't a chance in hell that the military

1556
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:29,470
and the industrial Ettore industrial

1557
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:32,559
complex wouldn't to be interested I mean

1558
01:02:37,230 --> 01:02:34,930
my god can you imagine the the war

1559
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:37,240
winning technology and all the offshoot

1560
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:37,730
techno

1561
01:02:42,099 --> 01:02:40,010
these we always go on about well look

1562
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,109
what the space race has given us in

1563
01:02:47,140 --> 01:02:44,720
terms of you know Teflon and whatever if

1564
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:47,150
we could get even any of the secrets of

1565
01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:51,290
just by studying UFOs a bit like Harry

1566
01:02:56,620 --> 01:02:53,900
Stanford is never mind getting a hold of

1567
01:02:59,050 --> 01:02:56,630
one then there has to be interest there

1568
01:03:02,080 --> 01:02:59,060
has to be extreme interest and you know

1569
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:02,090
the old chestnut about no defense

1570
01:03:08,010 --> 01:03:04,010
significance that is just the biggest

1571
01:03:12,430 --> 01:03:08,020
joke in ufology to think that you know

1572
01:03:14,620 --> 01:03:12,440
multiple airman personnel at a nuclear

1573
01:03:16,810 --> 01:03:14,630
base of some kind of encountered over

1574
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:16,820
several nights I'm talking about Randall

1575
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:18,770
sim of course and anyway the bottom line

1576
01:03:24,220 --> 01:03:21,920
is something weird went on near to where

1577
01:03:26,650 --> 01:03:24,230
nuclear weapons were stored if there

1578
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:26,660
isn't of Defense significance then I

1579
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,359
genuinely don't know what is unless of

1580
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:31,280
course it involves some kind of test

1581
01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:32,690
aircraft where things went wrong

1582
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:34,910
we'll have to see a lot more to talk

1583
01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:37,369
about gobsmacked eyes there we also have

1584
01:03:47,650 --> 01:03:40,190
Jeanne and Chris with our guests Micah

1585
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:47,660
Hanks you're in the payara cast first

1586
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:49,369
game attack of the rock codes and it was

1587
01:03:53,380 --> 01:03:51,410
a critically acclaimed success and now

1588
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:53,390
there's the coming of the protectors a

1589
01:03:57,790 --> 01:03:55,490
former military intelligence man is

1590
01:03:59,590 --> 01:03:57,800
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

1591
01:04:02,020 --> 01:03:59,600
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

1592
01:04:03,730 --> 01:04:02,030
because evil forces on our distant

1593
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:03,740
planet are planning to conquer the earth

1594
01:04:09,130 --> 01:04:06,410
this is gripping science fiction of the

1595
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:09,140
classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

1596
01:04:13,690 --> 01:04:11,090
the coming of the protectors find out

1597
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more at Rocko it's calm that's rock oh

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had a bit of a slick way there on

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various issues about UFOs and who might

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know what and where and when Guk's Makai

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when you were doing intelligence in what

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areas it was signals intelligence so

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collection an analysis of signals

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intelligence so it's not very

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to Mesa and maybe take you out you've

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got a need to know for that information

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does he and I'm soaked I'm so exactly

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and I'm so cautious about even seeing

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exactly what kind of thing I did just

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01:09:00,150 --> 01:08:56,500
because I don't want to obviously fall

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01:09:03,030 --> 01:09:00,160
foul of the Official Secrets Act but I

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can tell you that that it is interesting

1699
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to to kind of be exposed to things that

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you know 99.9 percent of the public will

1701
01:09:18,749 --> 01:09:16,509
never heed off but anything I did

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01:09:22,169 --> 01:09:18,759
personally wasn't you know very

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01:09:24,450 --> 01:09:22,179
interesting and certainly what what you

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01:09:26,459 --> 01:09:24,460
know it's one regret I have is a while I

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01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,469
was in the Navy I should really have

1706
01:09:31,820 --> 01:09:28,960
asked the people involved in electronic

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01:09:35,939 --> 01:09:31,830
warfare if they had ever had you know

1708
01:09:39,090 --> 01:09:35,949
any really fast tracks on radar that

1709
01:09:41,099 --> 01:09:39,100
kind of thing and I was into UFOs at

1710
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:41,109
that time but for some reason it just

1711
01:09:45,570 --> 01:09:43,600
you know booty to day work and all I was

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01:09:48,930 --> 01:09:45,580
at the back of my mind and I kind of

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01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:48,940
wish I did pursue that kind of thing at

1714
01:09:53,939 --> 01:09:51,850
the time but I never did but I really I

1715
01:09:55,729 --> 01:09:53,949
really doubt that any one I've come in

1716
01:09:58,350 --> 01:09:55,739
contact with would have had any

1717
01:09:59,970 --> 01:09:58,360
earth-shattering information but if we

1718
01:10:02,280 --> 01:09:59,980
have information that's that

1719
01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:02,290
compartmentalized and we've had it for

1720
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:05,820
six seven decades the US has it may be

1721
01:10:11,630 --> 01:10:08,970
intelligence services in Great Britain

1722
01:10:14,530 --> 01:10:11,640
whatever big question is how do you keep

1723
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:14,540
the secret generation after generation

1724
01:10:19,670 --> 01:10:17,130
leadership changes all that sort of

1725
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:19,680
thing but it hasn't been kept of course

1726
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:22,170
because there are there have been

1727
01:10:27,650 --> 01:10:24,690
documents leaked official documents that

1728
01:10:32,210 --> 01:10:27,660
you know pretty plainly state the

1729
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:32,220
interest in the subject of UFOs so if

1730
01:10:36,620 --> 01:10:33,780
there had never been any document

1731
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:36,630
released and you know we weren't talking

1732
01:10:40,250 --> 01:10:38,250
about anything to do with the military

1733
01:10:42,580 --> 01:10:40,260
and UFOs then you can say that the

1734
01:10:46,810 --> 01:10:42,590
secret has been kept that it hasn't and

1735
01:10:49,300 --> 01:10:46,820
even you know I suppose Roswell

1736
01:10:51,710 --> 01:10:49,310
regardless of what the truth of it is

1737
01:10:55,190 --> 01:10:51,720
the fact of the matter is that people

1738
01:10:58,670 --> 01:10:55,200
have researched the subject of Roswell

1739
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:58,680
and so something considering that it

1740
01:11:03,860 --> 01:11:00,960
kind of got hushed up if you like back

1741
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:03,870
in 47 it was you know oh it's a weather

1742
01:11:07,700 --> 01:11:05,760
balloon it was a mistake that's that's

1743
01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:07,710
it and it kind of did die to land and

1744
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:09,960
told in the late 70s when it was kind of

1745
01:11:15,530 --> 01:11:12,090
dug up again but the fact that people

1746
01:11:17,150 --> 01:11:15,540
who you could say were supposed if you

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01:11:19,220 --> 01:11:17,160
believe something happened people who

1748
01:11:21,650 --> 01:11:19,230
were involved who would have been told

1749
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:21,660
that this didn't happen you never speak

1750
01:11:26,090 --> 01:11:23,610
about it because you've given an oath in

1751
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,100
all that well some of them did give

1752
01:11:31,010 --> 01:11:28,560
deathbed confessions and what our view

1753
01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:31,020
so that that is a prime example that the

1754
01:11:35,420 --> 01:11:33,150
secret has not been kept they may not

1755
01:11:37,820 --> 01:11:35,430
have had you know perfect guilty

1756
01:11:39,260 --> 01:11:37,830
knowledge but people have broken their

1757
01:11:42,650 --> 01:11:39,270
oaths and documents have been released

1758
01:11:45,020 --> 01:11:42,660
so the fact is that the secret hasn't

1759
01:11:46,580 --> 01:11:45,030
been kept dogs if I may add by the way

1760
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,590
also you know there were two cases in

1761
01:11:50,750 --> 01:11:48,480
Canada just within recent months that

1762
01:11:52,250 --> 01:11:50,760
involved again what we can you know

1763
01:11:54,020 --> 01:11:52,260
loosely define as being unidentified

1764
01:11:56,030 --> 01:11:54,030
flying objects one involved a red and

1765
01:11:57,890 --> 01:11:56,040
white object that had a rotor that was

1766
01:12:00,140 --> 01:11:57,900
flying at an altitude it was incredible

1767
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:00,150
altitude this was observed by the pilot

1768
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:01,410
of a commercial plane and then there was

1769
01:12:07,190 --> 01:12:04,050
another incident in June that involved a

1770
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:07,200
small dark-colored wingless object that

1771
01:12:09,950 --> 01:12:08,610
near nearly collided with the plane

1772
01:12:11,690 --> 01:12:09,960
which is really a lot in keeping with

1773
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:11,700
with the kinds of things I described in

1774
01:12:15,170 --> 01:12:13,710
my book the ghost rockets but what's

1775
01:12:18,860 --> 01:12:15,180
interesting to me about both of those

1776
01:12:20,150 --> 01:12:18,870
cases is that Canadian I'm trying to

1777
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:20,160
remember what their division is I guess

1778
01:12:22,670 --> 01:12:21,780
it's not the FAA obviously like it is

1779
01:12:24,830 --> 01:12:22,680
here in the states but

1780
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:24,840
Aviation authorities had said that there

1781
01:12:28,250 --> 01:12:26,760
were no reports fob because of a lack of

1782
01:12:30,500 --> 01:12:28,260
information about those even though

1783
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:30,510
there seemed to be a potential hazard in

1784
01:12:34,580 --> 01:12:32,970
both cases what we do know about some of

1785
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:34,590
these UFO reports over the years of

1786
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:36,450
course as a result of the disclosure of

1787
01:12:40,670 --> 01:12:39,690
documents is that absolutely government

1788
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:40,680
agencies thought that there was

1789
01:12:44,810 --> 01:12:43,050
something of interest or concern because

1790
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:44,820
that documentation was kept we know in

1791
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:46,290
other instances since there has not been

1792
01:12:50,270 --> 01:12:47,880
documentation kept on certain

1793
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:50,280
quote-unquote UFO cases that if there

1794
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:51,600
are files that have been released to the

1795
01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:53,370
public somebody thought enough to

1796
01:12:57,050 --> 01:12:54,840
investigate and even if a lot of those

1797
01:12:58,580 --> 01:12:57,060
take a very you know a kind of debunker

1798
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:58,590
attitude toward this as many have

1799
01:13:01,160 --> 01:12:59,760
pointed out and if even if there are a

1800
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:01,170
lot of redactions and things they're

1801
01:13:04,220 --> 01:13:02,610
contained it still shows that there was

1802
01:13:05,630 --> 01:13:04,230
interest in the phenomenon and hence

1803
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:05,640
government agencies have obviously

1804
01:13:09,770 --> 01:13:07,530
maintained that interest over the years

1805
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:09,780
and have collected data about UFOs now I

1806
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:11,490
personally although I'm not really a

1807
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:13,500
great big grand dark conspiracy theorist

1808
01:13:17,660 --> 01:13:15,480
type I do think that there's a lot of

1809
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:17,670
information without question maintained

1810
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,050
by government agencies that we probably

1811
01:13:22,580 --> 01:13:21,360
haven't accessed and they're very good

1812
01:13:25,460 --> 01:13:22,590
reasons and a lot of it has to do with

1813
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:25,470
the nature of how foi a works but I

1814
01:13:28,460 --> 01:13:26,370
think that there's a lot of information

1815
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:28,470
that we do not as civilian researchers

1816
01:13:32,420 --> 01:13:30,570
have access to with relation to the UFO

1817
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:32,430
phenomenon that government bodies have

1818
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:33,810
probably maintained and still do

1819
01:13:38,900 --> 01:13:36,330
maintain yeah we know that in certain

1820
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:38,910
cases that under certain bodies like the

1821
01:13:44,210 --> 01:13:41,850
FAA and and the the the Armed Forces

1822
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:44,220
there have been times when people have

1823
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:46,410
said they've been involved in some kind

1824
01:13:52,220 --> 01:13:49,050
of UFO incident and their superiors have

1825
01:13:54,590 --> 01:13:52,230
told them like you know don't talk about

1826
01:13:57,890 --> 01:13:54,600
this don't whatever so what I'm

1827
01:14:00,380 --> 01:13:57,900
interested in is that those superiors

1828
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:00,390
that are telling their subordinates do

1829
01:14:06,290 --> 01:14:03,510
not talk about this incident did they

1830
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:06,300
read it in a rulebook somewhere that

1831
01:14:11,170 --> 01:14:08,850
they should say that are their immediate

1832
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:11,180
superiors tell superiors telling them

1833
01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:13,860
tell people to keep quiet this didn't

1834
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:16,380
happen kind of thing or is it almost

1835
01:14:21,820 --> 01:14:18,540
like there doesn't need to be a control

1836
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:21,830
group somehow in the culture of UFOs

1837
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:25,050
it's just like people inherently and in

1838
01:14:31,550 --> 01:14:27,810
positions of authority they inherently

1839
01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:31,560
think they should keep it quiet so no

1840
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:33,420
one is actually telling them to do so

1841
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:35,130
but they just think that's what they

1842
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:36,360
should be doing so

1843
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:38,460
don't most like it's self-perpetuating

1844
01:14:42,950 --> 01:14:41,130
that doesn't need to be an mg 12 people

1845
01:14:45,470 --> 01:14:42,960
think if you're in the military and

1846
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,480
you're a colonel you are whatever if you

1847
01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:47,280
get involved in something less or your

1848
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:49,860
subordinates are you should keep it

1849
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:52,080
quiet and nobody even needed to tell

1850
01:14:56,330 --> 01:14:54,540
them to do that yes it could very well

1851
01:14:58,340 --> 01:14:56,340
be a very brilliant deception again this

1852
01:15:00,320 --> 01:14:58,350
kind of comes around to the approach

1853
01:15:02,690 --> 01:15:00,330
that James carrion is taken let's

1854
01:15:04,700 --> 01:15:02,700
suppose for a moment if we consider

1855
01:15:05,180 --> 01:15:04,710
whether mj-12 documents released to the

1856
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:05,190
public

1857
01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:07,050
present an idea of a control group

1858
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:09,510
certain factions of the UFO community by

1859
01:15:12,650 --> 01:15:10,560
it hook line & sinker

1860
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:12,660
others Jean Bell a Robert Hastings and

1861
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:14,610
numerous others look at it and say not

1862
01:15:18,740 --> 01:15:16,530
so much this is obviously bunk it's

1863
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:18,750
proven probably later to be with almost

1864
01:15:22,190 --> 01:15:20,940
certainty that it wasn't all based on

1865
01:15:24,100 --> 01:15:22,200
truth but maybe that there were little

1866
01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:24,110
hints at some aspects that were true

1867
01:15:29,780 --> 01:15:27,390
what we left with is a public perception

1868
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:29,790
of control and hence an idea that UFOs

1869
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:31,440
are something we're not supposed to know

1870
01:15:36,110 --> 01:15:33,360
about which could in turn be both

1871
01:15:38,630 --> 01:15:36,120
conducive to kind of washing you know

1872
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:38,640
with secrecy the actual projects that

1873
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:40,890
are going on and presenting instead this

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idea of an alien cover-up while at the

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same time creating an era of conspiracy

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with this UFO subject that you're not

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quote-unquote supposed to talk about

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that leads people to treat it in such a

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way that it is something that maybe

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media agencies and even government

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agencies from time to time intentionally

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either downplay refused to discuss or

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make light of you know we could presume

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that again the culture itself that has

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been kind of woven around the UFO

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subject over the last several decades

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has actually contributed to this era of

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secrecy how much of that we can confirm

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you know as anybody's guess notification

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you know what I want to ask you about

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this we would do our next segment we

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have questions from our listeners of

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Micah Hanks as well our guest list

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[Music]

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this is the para caste with gene and

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Chris and GOG x' joined by Micah Hanks

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01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:12,720
who I consider a cutting-edge

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01:21:18,740 --> 01:21:16,290
commentator on the UFO field so Micah

2003
01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:18,750
based on what we've been summarizing

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01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:21,180
less couple of segments is it fair to

2005
01:21:28,700 --> 01:21:25,080
suggest that the UFO meme grows out of

2006
01:21:31,310 --> 01:21:28,710
the impression created by the government

2007
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,320
that things that are going on are UFO

2008
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:32,880
related so if we're all looking for

2009
01:21:37,190 --> 01:21:35,040
spaceships we don't see what's really

2010
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:37,200
happening well I think that's fair to

2011
01:21:40,580 --> 01:21:39,090
say to an extent and you know again I

2012
01:21:42,620 --> 01:21:40,590
think that's a similar case that James

2013
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:42,630
carrion makes with his book the Rosetta

2014
01:21:46,190 --> 01:21:44,370
deception which I won't be able to get

2015
01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:46,200
the free copy essence already bought it

2016
01:21:50,330 --> 01:21:48,450
but again when I say that I believe in

2017
01:21:52,430 --> 01:21:50,340
supporting authors who do a lot of you

2018
01:21:53,780 --> 01:21:52,440
know Hardin and good research you know I

2019
01:21:55,100 --> 01:21:53,790
think that you know everybody deserves

2020
01:21:57,500 --> 01:21:55,110
to make a dollar here or there some

2021
01:21:59,450 --> 01:21:57,510
proud to say I bought his book now that

2022
01:22:01,280 --> 01:21:59,460
said I think that he would probably

2023
01:22:02,750 --> 01:22:01,290
agree as I think he even similarly

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01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:02,760
discussed with you guys previously on

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01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:05,610
this program that while without question

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01:22:08,570 --> 01:22:07,110
and to mention another person who has

2027
01:22:10,850 --> 01:22:08,580
made this assertion that there is a

2028
01:22:12,620 --> 01:22:10,860
deception component involved with this

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01:22:13,790 --> 01:22:12,630
well valet said that of course and

2030
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:13,800
really anyone who wants to get an

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01:22:17,180 --> 01:22:15,360
interesting perspective on Rendlesham

2032
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:17,190
and similar events I think they should

2033
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,170
read the book revelations the third and

2034
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:20,880
his alien contact trilogy which really

2035
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:23,040
brilliantly goes into a lot of this but

2036
01:22:25,790 --> 01:22:24,840
but also Joseph P Ferrell has talked

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01:22:27,620 --> 01:22:25,800
about the idea that there were

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01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:27,630
propaganda efforts especially shortly

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01:22:31,850 --> 01:22:28,800
after the Second World War which

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01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:31,860
utilized information about UFO reports

2041
01:22:36,050 --> 01:22:34,110
to basically kind of Bob Hugh skate and

2042
01:22:39,710 --> 01:22:36,060
maybe mislead the public a good example

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01:22:41,420 --> 01:22:39,720
I think it was in nineteen forty six or

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01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:41,430
seven possibly that there was a report

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01:22:46,940 --> 01:22:44,490
of a saucer-shaped craft with an iron

2046
01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:46,950
cross emblem on the side hovering over

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01:22:50,510 --> 01:22:49,020
the Thames River in London now of course

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01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,520
this wasn't reported during the war it

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01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:52,320
was reported afterward and frankly it

2050
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:54,840
you know his feral points out after the

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01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:56,610
UFO meme had already been presented

2052
01:22:59,840 --> 01:22:58,050
which I guess would have to mean that it

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01:23:03,050 --> 01:22:59,850
was 1947 or later may have even been

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01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:03,060
1948 or 49 but feral thought it was

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01:23:05,780 --> 01:23:04,170
interesting and I think he talks about

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01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:05,790
this in his book saucers swastikas and

2057
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,570
psyops where he mentions that this story

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having not been mentioned in more time

2059
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:13,650
but after the presence of flying saucers

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has already established file

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01:23:18,620 --> 01:23:16,620
the Kenneth Arnold siding seems to point

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the idea that there was some sort of a

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German technology that was being

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utilized during the war and what better

2065
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:25,920
way to convince our enemies than to have

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a Western source comment on this and

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talk about it in such a way that oh gosh

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well maybe if we know that Nazi

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propulsion scientists and the like have

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been removed to the United States and

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you know Wernher von Braun and uh and

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Hermann Oberth and others you know end

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up at Huntsville Alabama and they're

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working for us if the Russians read

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these newspapers and they see this as

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they know that did following

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intelligence internationally as they did

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01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:48,840
it would be a great way to instill in

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the minds of our enemies the idea that

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we had acquired some secret technology

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and basically don't mess with us you

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know so I definitely think that that

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01:24:02,450 --> 01:24:00,300
deception element exists and could have

2084
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been utilized carefully and effectively

2085
01:24:05,870 --> 01:24:04,620
as a tool but I don't think that that

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removes the idea that there's a real

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phenomenon either and I don't think that

2088
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:10,380
every good evidence we've ever found of

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01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:12,930
UFOs is some component that is being

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utilized by whether his dogs had you

2091
01:24:18,350 --> 01:24:16,710
know questioned you know a government

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01:24:20,210 --> 01:24:18,360
control group that's seeking to try and

2093
01:24:22,340 --> 01:24:20,220
control the more gullible among the

2094
01:24:24,140 --> 01:24:22,350
research community and hints why many

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01:24:25,790 --> 01:24:24,150
skeptics have asserted coming back to

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01:24:28,580 --> 01:24:25,800
our central thesis here that there's an

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01:24:30,350 --> 01:24:28,590
end to ufology they cite that lack of

2098
01:24:31,850 --> 01:24:30,360
hard evidence but the few good leads

2099
01:24:33,740 --> 01:24:31,860
being evidence of something and then

2100
01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:33,750
people taking it to extremes and calling

2101
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:35,580
that evidence of a cover-up as being

2102
01:24:39,650 --> 01:24:37,770
evidence of nothing is UFO researchers

2103
01:24:41,420 --> 01:24:39,660
it's frustrating because we don't have a

2104
01:24:42,380 --> 01:24:41,430
whole lot of evidence of well we know

2105
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:42,390
that there's something but we don't

2106
01:24:46,970 --> 01:24:43,890
really have much evidence as to what

2107
01:24:49,190 --> 01:24:46,980
that actually is so many people cave to

2108
01:24:50,990 --> 01:24:49,200
the extra-terrestrial meme I clearly

2109
01:24:53,330 --> 01:24:51,000
think gene that there is something going

2110
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:53,340
on and it's not all deception but we

2111
01:24:55,700 --> 01:24:54,480
don't know what that isn't we don't know

2112
01:24:57,770 --> 01:24:55,710
enough about it and that unfortunately

2113
01:24:59,990 --> 01:24:57,780
provides a lot of fodder to naysayers

2114
01:25:02,330 --> 01:25:00,000
who really do say that ufology is caving

2115
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,340
in on itself when in fact unfortunately

2116
01:25:06,380 --> 01:25:04,800
I think the the systematic beliefs that

2117
01:25:09,020 --> 01:25:06,390
have been stigmatized and have been

2118
01:25:10,700 --> 01:25:09,030
appended to the subject have prevented

2119
01:25:12,710 --> 01:25:10,710
us from moving forward in a clear-headed

2120
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:12,720
fashion I think too many people are out

2121
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:14,310
there looking for aliens not enough

2122
01:25:18,650 --> 01:25:16,400
people are out there looking for UFOs

2123
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:18,660
very good point that could have made it

2124
01:25:21,890 --> 01:25:19,530
better myself

2125
01:25:24,170 --> 01:25:21,900
I think one of the problems that we're

2126
01:25:26,540 --> 01:25:24,180
seeing in ufology is you know this pop

2127
01:25:28,370 --> 01:25:26,550
culture programming everybody has this

2128
01:25:30,770 --> 01:25:28,380
expectation if they're not

2129
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,780
involved in doing the active research

2130
01:25:34,399 --> 01:25:32,400
and really digging into this subject

2131
01:25:37,970 --> 01:25:34,409
they're allowing their TV to educate

2132
01:25:40,250 --> 01:25:37,980
them allowing the culture itself to be

2133
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:40,260
pointing them off planet and I we don't

2134
01:25:45,140 --> 01:25:41,610
have enough information to make that

2135
01:25:47,419 --> 01:25:45,150
leap yet and unfortunately ufology has

2136
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:47,429
become very entrenched with the ETH with

2137
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:49,199
the extra-terrestrial hypothesis and

2138
01:25:54,110 --> 01:25:51,210
eating sort of creative thinking that

2139
01:25:55,879 --> 01:25:54,120
arises that runs counter to that the

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01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:55,889
classic example would be Jacques ballet

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being booed off the stage and in the

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01:26:01,399 --> 01:25:59,580
late 80s and then swear he'd never do

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01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:01,409
another conference like that again there

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is this kind of I don't know just a

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veneer of if you run against the grain

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and you have you know you try to apply

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some creative thinking to to this whole

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subject new you're shunned or you're

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shouted down unfortunately that's you

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know that's something that the field is

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has at some point is going to have to

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address if it wants to continue moving

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01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:22,949
forward yes it is and see that was the

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01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:24,810
one of the original initial reasons that

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01:26:29,390 --> 01:26:27,090
I was making this this statement in the

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01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:29,400
article with my website that had to do

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01:26:32,780 --> 01:26:31,170
with you know the end of ufology in

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01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:32,790
relation to conferences and television

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01:26:35,689 --> 01:26:34,260
programs and things like this look you

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01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:35,699
know I'm not afraid to name a couple of

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01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:38,370
names here I have actually co-hosted

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01:26:41,300 --> 01:26:39,570
events that have featured some of the

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01:26:42,649 --> 01:26:41,310
stars of ancient aliens we talked about

2164
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,659
them before on this program and I've

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01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:44,159
actually gotten some flack for that you

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01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:46,050
know from peer cast listeners and from

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01:26:49,220 --> 01:26:47,610
other people in the community I don't

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01:26:50,930 --> 01:26:49,230
think it's bad to feature people like

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01:26:52,220 --> 01:26:50,940
Erich von däniken you know at an event

2170
01:26:54,169 --> 01:26:52,230
if people are interested in going and

2171
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:54,179
hear Erich von Daniken talk I am

2172
01:26:58,910 --> 01:26:56,010
adamantly opposed to calling him a

2173
01:27:00,770 --> 01:26:58,920
ufologist he is not a ufologist Giorgio

2174
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,780
tsoukalos is not a ufologist and

2175
01:27:04,459 --> 01:27:02,639
furthermore when people want to try and

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01:27:06,590 --> 01:27:04,469
launch criticisms against the study of

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01:27:08,209 --> 01:27:06,600
ufology when they really are just

2178
01:27:10,010 --> 01:27:08,219
kicking back watching ancient aliens and

2179
01:27:11,689 --> 01:27:10,020
trying to dissect things that sue Callas

2180
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:11,699
or von Daniken or others may be talking

2181
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:13,290
about on those programs a good example

2182
01:27:16,939 --> 01:27:15,360
Jason Colavito skeptical blogger he

2183
01:27:18,530 --> 01:27:16,949
really basically spends most of his time

2184
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:18,540
dissecting the books that people who are

2185
01:27:21,979 --> 01:27:20,400
fringe theorists and the like talk about

2186
01:27:24,020 --> 01:27:21,989
well that's fine and he offers some very

2187
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:24,030
intelligent commentary he's a bit

2188
01:27:27,530 --> 01:27:25,920
negative at times and frequently a

2189
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:27,540
little too snarky for my taste but I

2190
01:27:31,580 --> 01:27:29,489
still think that he has every right to

2191
01:27:33,020 --> 01:27:31,590
trying to deconstruct the arguments of a

2192
01:27:34,370 --> 01:27:33,030
lot of these these researchers and

2193
01:27:36,169 --> 01:27:34,380
really frankly I don't agree with a lot

2194
01:27:37,850 --> 01:27:36,179
of it myself but but I realized that

2195
01:27:39,979 --> 01:27:37,860
there's an entertaining component to

2196
01:27:41,780 --> 01:27:39,989
that and I find it entertaining just as

2197
01:27:42,980 --> 01:27:41,790
well it is absolutely not you

2198
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:42,990
follow gee though and I love when people

2199
01:27:46,820 --> 01:27:45,450
try and say that uh yes yes we've got

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01:27:48,260 --> 01:27:46,830
you know contact in the desert or

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01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:48,270
whatever you know if people want to go

2202
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,650
to an event like that and attend that

2203
01:27:53,420 --> 01:27:51,600
and have fun that's okay

2204
01:27:55,070 --> 01:27:53,430
but when people in the mainstream you

2205
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:55,080
know whether it be New York magazine or

2206
01:27:58,640 --> 01:27:56,610
whatever else want to go and say yeah

2207
01:28:00,200 --> 01:27:58,650
this is ufology no it's not that's not

2208
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:00,210
ufology in the least when we're talking

2209
01:28:03,740 --> 01:28:02,370
about the real scientific study or the

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01:28:06,410 --> 01:28:03,750
attempt to scientifically study

2211
01:28:08,690 --> 01:28:06,420
anomalous aerial phenomenon that to me

2212
01:28:10,850 --> 01:28:08,700
is UFO phenomena which involves earth

2213
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,860
light research and earthquake lines this

2214
01:28:14,090 --> 01:28:12,480
is something that's been a kind of an

2215
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:14,100
underground component of the UFO

2216
01:28:17,210 --> 01:28:15,840
phenomenon for a number of years john

2217
01:28:18,830 --> 01:28:17,220
deere michael persinger

2218
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:18,840
and of course more recently robert

2219
01:28:22,820 --> 01:28:20,490
theory alts have been engaged in this

2220
01:28:24,530 --> 01:28:22,830
and you know have even co-authored

2221
01:28:26,540 --> 01:28:24,540
papers that have been released under the

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01:28:28,220 --> 01:28:26,550
under agencies like NASA that deal with

2223
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:28,230
the serious discussion of anomalous

2224
01:28:31,340 --> 01:28:29,760
aerial phenomena which are not believed

2225
01:28:33,170 --> 01:28:31,350
to be quote unquote intelligently

2226
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:33,180
controlled mechanical aircraft of some

2227
01:28:37,610 --> 01:28:34,560
kind but nonetheless are by definition

2228
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:37,620
UFOs criticized those papers as I have

2229
01:28:40,970 --> 01:28:39,120
actually and frankly I think that some

2230
01:28:42,530 --> 01:28:40,980
of the information in such papers are

2231
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:42,540
you know at times trade pick just as

2232
01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:44,880
well but you know criticize the actual

2233
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:46,260
research that's going on not the TV

2234
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:48,570
shows which some people offhandedly in a

2235
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,090
peripheral way call quote-unquote UFOs

2236
01:28:54,890 --> 01:28:53,280
that's not ufology the TV show is it's

2237
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:54,900
all about entertainment they don't care

2238
01:28:58,940 --> 01:28:56,850
about solving any mysteries they look at

2239
01:29:00,920 --> 01:28:58,950
the stuff that they think people will be

2240
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:00,930
interested in oh of course we have all

2241
01:29:05,180 --> 01:29:03,360
these cultural legends like Roswell

2242
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:05,190
doesn't matter what really happened it

2243
01:29:09,260 --> 01:29:07,410
could be UFO related in fact I talked to

2244
01:29:11,480 --> 01:29:09,270
somebody just the other day of an

2245
01:29:13,940 --> 01:29:11,490
elderly gentleman who was friends with

2246
01:29:16,130 --> 01:29:13,950
us at so-called Roswell witness who

2247
01:29:19,130 --> 01:29:16,140
talked about up to six aliens being seen

2248
01:29:21,410 --> 01:29:19,140
who knows you know memories fade and it

2249
01:29:23,810 --> 01:29:21,420
was done years later so I don't know

2250
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:23,820
where to take it these other people

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01:29:29,060 --> 01:29:26,880
researching in two unidentified aerial

2252
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:29,070
phenomena do they ever consider that

2253
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:31,770
some of these objects or whatever might

2254
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,810
be spaceships well you know I mean I

2255
01:29:37,370 --> 01:29:35,520
know we used the ubiquitous today when

2256
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:37,380
we say this and I think of a few people

2257
01:29:40,730 --> 01:29:39,090
probably would come after me for saying

2258
01:29:42,020 --> 01:29:40,740
that just as well Mikey you you you say

2259
01:29:43,850 --> 01:29:42,030
that you're in touch with scientists and

2260
01:29:44,780 --> 01:29:43,860
people all the time you know so what are

2261
01:29:46,340 --> 01:29:44,790
they doing and what are their thoughts

2262
01:29:48,650 --> 01:29:46,350
well a couple of points about that I

2263
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:48,660
mentioned Persinger and I mentioned John

2264
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:50,370
Deere and I mentioned Robert theory alts

2265
01:29:53,060 --> 01:29:51,840
specifically because these guys have

2266
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:53,070
been involved in research into what's

2267
01:29:55,940 --> 01:29:55,170
called earthquake lights which believed

2268
01:29:58,130 --> 01:29:55,950
to be

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01:29:59,720 --> 01:29:58,140
anomalous plasma is created by seismic

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01:30:01,250 --> 01:29:59,730
activity or that occur in conjunction

2271
01:30:03,410 --> 01:30:01,260
with earthquakes essentially and that

2272
01:30:04,970 --> 01:30:03,420
again I love this because in that

2273
01:30:07,550 --> 01:30:04,980
community there are a lot of seismic

2274
01:30:09,380 --> 01:30:07,560
researchers who try to say that UFOs can

2275
01:30:10,970 --> 01:30:09,390
be explained much like Philip Glass said

2276
01:30:14,090 --> 01:30:10,980
initially let's keep in mind by

2277
01:30:16,100 --> 01:30:14,100
asserting that a similarly misunderstood

2278
01:30:18,530 --> 01:30:16,110
or partially understood phenomenon ie

2279
01:30:20,450 --> 01:30:18,540
earthquake lines is a explanation rather

2280
01:30:21,950 --> 01:30:20,460
than extraterrestrial aircraft you know

2281
01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:21,960
again we have no proof that there are

2282
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:24,120
ETS visiting earth and I think that even

2283
01:30:27,830 --> 01:30:25,650
the best UFO research while sometimes

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suggestive of that offers us no hard

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proof Micah Hanks is with us with God's

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01:35:45,180 --> 01:35:42,670
ebook compelling research let's continue

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01:35:48,060 --> 01:35:45,190
with our discussions so the key here is

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01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:48,070
I think based on what I hear you say

2407
01:35:51,150 --> 01:35:50,530
Micah Hanks is that we should go back to

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01:35:53,580 --> 01:35:51,160
the beginning

2409
01:35:55,170 --> 01:35:53,590
what is this phenomena all about I think

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01:35:57,390 --> 01:35:55,180
the biggest problem to the field might

2411
01:35:59,820 --> 01:35:57,400
be that some of the most famous

2412
01:36:03,060 --> 01:35:59,830
researchers early on concluded it must

2413
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:03,070
be ET and any evidence presented

2414
01:36:07,170 --> 01:36:05,170
otherwise is dismissed what do you think

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01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:07,180
well I certainly think that's a good

2416
01:36:11,220 --> 01:36:09,010
case and I'll come back to that in a

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01:36:14,100 --> 01:36:11,230
moment I very briefly want to say that

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01:36:15,690 --> 01:36:14,110
coming back to my previous statements

2419
01:36:17,730 --> 01:36:15,700
about researchers in the field who's

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01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:17,740
doing this you know and and people's

2421
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:19,690
ideas about what this may or may not be

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01:36:24,270 --> 01:36:22,960
I think there are a lot of people in the

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01:36:26,010 --> 01:36:24,280
scientific community and I know for a

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01:36:27,480 --> 01:36:26,020
fact because I know many of these

2425
01:36:29,490 --> 01:36:27,490
individuals they are willing to

2426
01:36:32,010 --> 01:36:29,500
communicate with me they have very

2427
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:32,020
opinionated ideas at times some of them

2428
01:36:36,450 --> 01:36:33,610
are less opinionated but they all share

2429
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:36,460
an interest in this phenomenon whether

2430
01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:38,170
that be skeptical or whether that be

2431
01:36:40,860 --> 01:36:39,340
that they think that there's evidence of

2432
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:40,870
some sort of a nonhuman component

2433
01:36:45,690 --> 01:36:43,090
whatever but by virtue of their position

2434
01:36:47,970 --> 01:36:45,700
in government or their position is a you

2435
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:47,980
know professor at a university many

2436
01:36:50,970 --> 01:36:49,360
people have said to me you know Micah I

2437
01:36:52,740 --> 01:36:50,980
appreciate what you try to do with this

2438
01:36:54,510 --> 01:36:52,750
phenomenon on your podcasts and in radio

2439
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:54,520
interviews but you know please ask you

2440
01:36:58,260 --> 01:36:55,810
one thing you know here's a paper I

2441
01:37:00,120 --> 01:36:58,270
wrote on this don't post it online or my

2442
01:37:01,950 --> 01:37:00,130
name cannot be used publicly some people

2443
01:37:04,230 --> 01:37:01,960
won't even I've had people communicate

2444
01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:04,240
with me who present very compelling

2445
01:37:08,430 --> 01:37:05,830
information but who utilize pseudonyms

2446
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:08,440
because they're so cautious about the

2447
01:37:13,260 --> 01:37:11,530
academic suicide as it's called that is

2448
01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:13,270
concomitant with you know announcing

2449
01:37:17,379 --> 01:37:16,070
publicly that you are a learned person

2450
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:17,389
or a person who is in position in

2451
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:19,010
government perhaps or any other you know

2452
01:37:22,750 --> 01:37:21,290
similar scenario who is openly

2453
01:37:24,220 --> 01:37:22,760
interested in UFOs so that is something

2454
01:37:25,839 --> 01:37:24,230
that we face and a lot of people kind of

2455
01:37:27,819 --> 01:37:25,849
dismissed that kind of information but

2456
01:37:29,500 --> 01:37:27,829
really I think good researchers know

2457
01:37:31,450 --> 01:37:29,510
Nick Redferns encountered this as well

2458
01:37:33,459 --> 01:37:31,460
that some people simply cannot come

2459
01:37:34,959 --> 01:37:33,469
forth and be forthcoming and openly

2460
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:34,969
honest about their name and their

2461
01:37:38,890 --> 01:37:36,770
reputation and what they find

2462
01:37:39,939 --> 01:37:38,900
interesting about UFOs so that's a bit

2463
01:37:41,140 --> 01:37:39,949
of a conundrum but I think it's

2464
01:37:42,580 --> 01:37:41,150
something we kind of have to deal with

2465
01:37:43,870 --> 01:37:42,590
sometimes too and I do find that these

2466
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:43,880
individuals sometimes give good

2467
01:37:49,540 --> 01:37:46,130
information now coming back to what you

2468
01:37:51,850 --> 01:37:49,550
say Jean about maybe early on there were

2469
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:51,860
certain determinations made or pseudo

2470
01:37:55,510 --> 01:37:54,050
determinations made about UFO phenomenon

2471
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:55,520
that have kind of led us astray that's

2472
01:37:59,950 --> 01:37:58,159
absolutely correct I think and here's

2473
01:38:02,260 --> 01:37:59,960
why immediately after the Second World

2474
01:38:04,300 --> 01:38:02,270
War America and really I mean none of us

2475
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:04,310
had been to space we were not a

2476
01:38:09,370 --> 01:38:06,650
spacefaring civilization yet we see

2477
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:09,380
objects flying through the sky it's easy

2478
01:38:13,689 --> 01:38:12,170
to presume ok logic would seem to

2479
01:38:15,220 --> 01:38:13,699
dictate that they are flying through the

2480
01:38:17,020 --> 01:38:15,230
sky we never see where they come from or

2481
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:17,030
where they go to we must presume

2482
01:38:20,740 --> 01:38:18,560
therefore that they come from and return

2483
01:38:22,450 --> 01:38:20,750
to the sky and one of the early

2484
01:38:24,189 --> 01:38:22,460
determinations about UFOs was not that

2485
01:38:26,169 --> 01:38:24,199
these were independently controlled

2486
01:38:28,810 --> 01:38:26,179
spaceships but that they were drones

2487
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,820
that were actually being sent down from

2488
01:38:33,010 --> 01:38:30,320
a larger mothership parked outside

2489
01:38:34,510 --> 01:38:33,020
Earth's atmosphere why well because with

2490
01:38:36,609 --> 01:38:34,520
consideration of the Van Allen radiation

2491
01:38:38,260 --> 01:38:36,619
belt and the other kinds of problems

2492
01:38:40,569 --> 01:38:38,270
that we having not gone into space

2493
01:38:42,490 --> 01:38:40,579
ourselves at that time had presumed

2494
01:38:45,250 --> 01:38:42,500
about space flight we weren't sure that

2495
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:45,260
a living body could survive traveling

2496
01:38:49,870 --> 01:38:47,119
through and leaving or coming back into

2497
01:38:51,850 --> 01:38:49,880
Earth's atmosphere and hence the travel

2498
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:51,860
into space at that time whether or not

2499
01:38:56,410 --> 01:38:54,770
possible seemed even unlikely for some

2500
01:38:58,479 --> 01:38:56,420
of the UFOs and so we would presume that

2501
01:39:02,080 --> 01:38:58,489
saucers might actually be mechanically

2502
01:39:05,050 --> 01:39:02,090
or I should say remotely controlled

2503
01:39:06,700 --> 01:39:05,060
aircraft it's interesting because these

2504
01:39:08,140 --> 01:39:06,710
determinations were people's best

2505
01:39:09,850 --> 01:39:08,150
assessment at the time to try and

2506
01:39:12,459 --> 01:39:09,860
understand what could possibly be going

2507
01:39:13,660 --> 01:39:12,469
on in relation to the science that we

2508
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:13,670
had available to us and our

2509
01:39:17,589 --> 01:39:15,530
understanding of it at that time it only

2510
01:39:18,819 --> 01:39:17,599
seemed logical I think to some of the

2511
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:18,829
best scientific minds and whether you go

2512
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:20,449
back to project sign and grudge you know

2513
01:39:24,220 --> 01:39:22,159
the famous estimate of the situation and

2514
01:39:25,780 --> 01:39:24,230
and people's attempts to try and say

2515
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:25,790
okay what are we dealing with this

2516
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:27,920
technology appears to be something far

2517
01:39:31,209 --> 01:39:29,690
more advanced than anything known to

2518
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:31,219
on earth or anything that anyone should

2519
01:39:36,100 --> 01:39:33,890
have access to now some of its so far

2520
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:36,110
out there that it just it's literally

2521
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:37,850
just beyond us it couldn't be anything

2522
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:40,010
but somebody else and again Jean like

2523
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:41,600
you said you know years and years and

2524
01:39:46,930 --> 01:39:43,850
years of sci-fi programming comic books

2525
01:39:48,700 --> 01:39:46,940
television or films I'm sure that this

2526
01:39:50,620 --> 01:39:48,710
had already well established the

2527
01:39:52,930 --> 01:39:50,630
extra-terrestrial hypothesis in people's

2528
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:52,940
minds long before UFOs ever showed up

2529
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:54,800
but that doesn't remove the interest

2530
01:39:58,180 --> 01:39:56,090
that people have had in them and maybe

2531
01:39:59,740 --> 01:39:58,190
the legitimacy of the reports especially

2532
01:40:01,300 --> 01:39:59,750
in relation to something Chris was

2533
01:40:03,670 --> 01:40:01,310
talking about in gaad's as well earlier

2534
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:03,680
and that is how many of these cases

2535
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:06,080
occur in relation to nuclear test

2536
01:40:10,450 --> 01:40:08,210
facilities our weapon facilities that's

2537
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:10,460
a good point I've got an interesting

2538
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:13,520
question here that kind of addresses

2539
01:40:17,709 --> 01:40:16,250
that well and how we move forward this

2540
01:40:20,350 --> 01:40:17,719
comes from burnt State one of our

2541
01:40:24,700 --> 01:40:20,360
longtime posters at forum dr. Peric

2542
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:24,710
ascom he's gone over the 2000 postmark

2543
01:40:30,939 --> 01:40:27,650
so congratulations on that don't forget

2544
01:40:34,030 --> 01:40:30,949
you can sign up at the forum dr. Perik

2545
01:40:35,470 --> 01:40:34,040
asked amor para cast comm for a

2546
01:40:38,260 --> 01:40:35,480
newsletter and you get a free copy of

2547
01:40:40,030 --> 01:40:38,270
the download of secret to the mysterious

2548
01:40:42,490 --> 01:40:40,040
valley there's a question from burn

2549
01:40:44,050 --> 01:40:42,500
State Michael you reference a study of

2550
01:40:45,610 --> 01:40:44,060
earthquake lights in your article and

2551
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:45,620
we've just been discussing that as well

2552
01:40:49,930 --> 01:40:47,810
and how scientific pursuits in other

2553
01:40:52,209 --> 01:40:49,940
fields may continue to illuminate the

2554
01:40:54,700 --> 01:40:52,219
truth about unidentified aerial lights

2555
01:40:56,410 --> 01:40:54,710
Greg bishop often says that the truth

2556
01:40:58,990 --> 01:40:56,420
about UFOs will come from someone

2557
01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:59,000
working in some other unrelated field if

2558
01:41:02,830 --> 01:41:01,040
this is so what scientific fields of

2559
01:41:04,540 --> 01:41:02,840
study and underground research is do you

2560
01:41:06,340 --> 01:41:04,550
think hold the most promise for being

2561
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:06,350
able to get a battle better handle on

2562
01:41:10,180 --> 01:41:08,210
the UFO phenomenon well that's easy

2563
01:41:12,340 --> 01:41:10,190
magnetohydrodynamics

2564
01:41:13,810 --> 01:41:12,350
that may be one but I don't want to come

2565
01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:13,820
across the sounding nebulous all want to

2566
01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:15,110
name the paper that I've discussed

2567
01:41:19,689 --> 01:41:16,730
earlier that was co-authored by Robert

2568
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:19,699
Theory alt France Saint Laurent Friedman

2569
01:41:22,750 --> 01:41:21,650
typhoon and John Deere and that was the

2570
01:41:25,150 --> 01:41:22,760
prevalence of earthquake lights

2571
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:25,160
associated with rift environments that I

2572
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:27,920
think is available via press at seismo

2573
01:41:34,689 --> 01:41:33,410
Sauk witches se is mo SOC dot org that

2574
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:34,699
is a scientific paper that deals with

2575
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:36,650
what I think is very effectively termed

2576
01:41:40,750 --> 01:41:38,449
to UFOs although we believe them to be

2577
01:41:42,100 --> 01:41:40,760
in this instance natural and origin but

2578
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:42,110
I think also the you know there's a

2579
01:41:44,350 --> 01:41:43,010
journal the

2580
01:41:47,470 --> 01:41:44,360
that I've been aware of years it was

2581
01:41:49,930 --> 01:41:47,480
co-founded by the co-founder of the

2582
01:41:52,180 --> 01:41:49,940
company dynamic systems Charles Yost and

2583
01:41:53,649 --> 01:41:52,190
he was an Apollo Aaron ash NASA engineer

2584
01:41:55,810 --> 01:41:53,659
who lived here in Western North Carolina

2585
01:41:57,640 --> 01:41:55,820
where I reside and he established a

2586
01:41:59,890 --> 01:41:57,650
journal called electric spacecraft have

2587
01:42:02,200 --> 01:41:59,900
you guys heard of that just faintly

2588
01:42:03,609 --> 01:42:02,210
remotely yeah yeah just a lot of people

2589
01:42:06,939 --> 01:42:03,619
a lot of people don't know about it as a

2590
01:42:08,580 --> 01:42:06,949
matter of fact the theory yeah well

2591
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:08,590
there's a I've got a friend who is a

2592
01:42:12,250 --> 01:42:10,880
astronomy professor at appstate and I

2593
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:12,260
asked him I said have you ever read

2594
01:42:16,540 --> 01:42:14,510
electric spacecraft journal and this is

2595
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:16,550
a journal that features all kinds of

2596
01:42:20,529 --> 01:42:18,050
research from people in the scientific

2597
01:42:21,879 --> 01:42:20,539
community worldwide that has to do with

2598
01:42:23,950 --> 01:42:21,889
well exactly what the name of the

2599
01:42:25,870 --> 01:42:23,960
journal says what what would be utilized

2600
01:42:29,129 --> 01:42:25,880
to create an electric or perhaps a

2601
01:42:31,089 --> 01:42:29,139
electric radiator or nuclear aircraft

2602
01:42:33,189 --> 01:42:31,099
Stanton Friedman of course you know

2603
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:33,199
nuclear physicist has said that having

2604
01:42:37,930 --> 01:42:35,210
worked in that industry after attending

2605
01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:37,940
college in Chicago with Carl Sagan if

2606
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:39,440
there had been nuclear aircraft ever

2607
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:41,449
instituted that he would know about it

2608
01:42:45,759 --> 01:42:43,730
but I have to say that with all due

2609
01:42:48,220 --> 01:42:45,769
respect to Stanton we look at cases like

2610
01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:48,230
the the the cash Landrum incident which

2611
01:42:52,149 --> 01:42:50,030
you guys have covered in depth on this

2612
01:42:53,620 --> 01:42:52,159
program it seems pretty clear that there

2613
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:53,630
was something nuclear going on there

2614
01:42:57,490 --> 01:42:55,280
being followed you know supposedly ball

2615
01:42:58,899 --> 01:42:57,500
V black helicopters no official

2616
01:43:00,370 --> 01:42:58,909
disclosure about what actually may have

2617
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:00,380
been going on but it seems pretty clear

2618
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:01,610
that there was some sort of a nuclear

2619
01:43:05,020 --> 01:43:03,530
aircraft we have no evidence that it was

2620
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:05,030
alien you know we do have evidence

2621
01:43:07,810 --> 01:43:06,650
though as a result of the injuries

2622
01:43:09,700 --> 01:43:07,820
sustained you know the radiation

2623
01:43:12,009 --> 01:43:09,710
sickness and the poisoning that cash and

2624
01:43:14,350 --> 01:43:12,019
Landrum suffered that there was some

2625
01:43:15,850 --> 01:43:14,360
some sort of an object there and and

2626
01:43:17,229 --> 01:43:15,860
throughout that you know that time

2627
01:43:19,060 --> 01:43:17,239
period in the decades leading up to that

2628
01:43:20,529 --> 01:43:19,070
incident the early eighties there were

2629
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:20,539
numerous cases where people suffered

2630
01:43:24,399 --> 01:43:22,130
radiation burns and the other kinds of

2631
01:43:25,990 --> 01:43:24,409
effects of probably what Jacques Vallee

2632
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:26,000
and others have speculated is non

2633
01:43:29,379 --> 01:43:27,679
ionizing radiation being emitted by

2634
01:43:30,939 --> 01:43:29,389
these crafts so it does seem to me that

2635
01:43:32,470 --> 01:43:30,949
not only is there a nuclear component in

2636
01:43:34,660 --> 01:43:32,480
relation to the actual propulsion of

2637
01:43:36,250 --> 01:43:34,670
these craft but I think Tesla is

2638
01:43:38,140 --> 01:43:36,260
speculated about it and the electric

2639
01:43:39,850 --> 01:43:38,150
spacecraft Journal for years has sought

2640
01:43:42,759 --> 01:43:39,860
to understand the possibilities that an

2641
01:43:44,859 --> 01:43:42,769
electric spacecraft might afford us it

2642
01:43:46,959 --> 01:43:44,869
gets into the realm of free energy and

2643
01:43:48,850 --> 01:43:46,969
renewable energy sources green energy

2644
01:43:50,350 --> 01:43:48,860
and a lot of these sorts of things I

2645
01:43:52,390 --> 01:43:50,360
think that those are fields that would

2646
01:43:54,250 --> 01:43:52,400
be of interest to study and I think also

2647
01:43:56,930 --> 01:43:54,260
of course you know the study of you know

2648
01:43:59,410 --> 01:43:56,940
all different kinds of propagation of

2649
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:59,420
energy systems electricity and whatnot

2650
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:01,920
plasma the study of plasma think which

2651
01:44:04,970 --> 01:44:03,090
some would term the fourth state of

2652
01:44:06,740 --> 01:44:04,980
matter and also how plasma might be

2653
01:44:08,209 --> 01:44:06,750
utilized you know in energetic systems

2654
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:08,219
and the like you know they're there any

2655
01:44:12,650 --> 01:44:09,930
number of places where people might look

2656
01:44:14,150 --> 01:44:12,660
for where UFO science could be but again

2657
01:44:14,900 --> 01:44:14,160
I think that a lot of this is going on

2658
01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:14,910
underground

2659
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:18,510
hidden literally in a bunker I'm talking

2660
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:20,370
about scientific organizations

2661
01:44:23,330 --> 01:44:21,840
institutions carrying out their work

2662
01:44:24,620 --> 01:44:23,340
it's probably widely available online

2663
01:44:25,939 --> 01:44:24,630
but people don't go looking there

2664
01:44:27,890 --> 01:44:25,949
because it doesn't have UFO written all

2665
01:44:29,390 --> 01:44:27,900
over it and those people in turn

2666
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:29,400
probably also wouldn't call their

2667
01:44:33,050 --> 01:44:31,410
research anything related to UFOs but if

2668
01:44:34,670 --> 01:44:33,060
we could pull it all together I think

2669
01:44:37,850 --> 01:44:34,680
that you know from separate sources

2670
01:44:39,860 --> 01:44:37,860
available in scientific academia and on

2671
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in government as well there's probably a

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be pieced together from those proverbial

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power cast by the way God's Makai has

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we're back in our final four segments

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with cutting-edge UFO commentator Micah

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01:48:10,410 --> 01:48:08,680
Hanks and of course he has the graylien

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report a lot of cutting-edge

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01:48:14,940 --> 01:48:13,420
commentaries he's got his podcast he's

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got all these amazing things that he

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01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:16,540
does and we'll continue with our

2757
01:48:22,530 --> 01:48:18,610
discussions also listener questions

2758
01:48:24,690 --> 01:48:22,540
right now Godsmack I are friendly guest

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01:48:25,290 --> 01:48:24,700
co-host and for a moderator you had a

2760
01:48:27,780 --> 01:48:25,300
comment

2761
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:27,790
yes Micah I am just working my way

2762
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:30,730
through one of Joseph's files book to

2763
01:48:35,550 --> 01:48:33,850
snow SS Brotherhood of the Bell and I

2764
01:48:37,950 --> 01:48:35,560
was just quickly wanting to ask you what

2765
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:37,960
do you think about this idea that there

2766
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:40,690
could be a whole kind of branch of

2767
01:48:46,440 --> 01:48:43,090
physics that has been deliberately

2768
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:46,450
hidden from science and the public and

2769
01:48:53,610 --> 01:48:50,080
that some UFO technology could be based

2770
01:48:54,570 --> 01:48:53,620
on this science this physics this hidden

2771
01:48:57,240 --> 01:48:54,580
yes

2772
01:48:59,600 --> 01:48:57,250
ether physics I think was the term I

2773
01:49:01,470 --> 01:48:59,610
coined that is in the book yeah and or

2774
01:49:03,860 --> 01:49:01,480
hyperdimensional I know that sounds a

2775
01:49:07,050 --> 01:49:03,870
bit Hoagland but let's just talk farro

2776
01:49:10,380 --> 01:49:07,060
sure Joseph Ferrell is a brilliant guy

2777
01:49:12,900 --> 01:49:10,390
I've interviewed him before and you know

2778
01:49:15,300 --> 01:49:12,910
I've read a number of his books I agree

2779
01:49:16,620 --> 01:49:15,310
with a lot of what he says I disagree

2780
01:49:17,940 --> 01:49:16,630
with some things and I don't think that

2781
01:49:19,860 --> 01:49:17,950
you can have an honest discussion with

2782
01:49:22,140 --> 01:49:19,870
people without some disagreement so

2783
01:49:25,620 --> 01:49:22,150
that's meant is no slide against him I

2784
01:49:27,690 --> 01:49:25,630
think that in terms of probability I'm

2785
01:49:31,170 --> 01:49:27,700
trying to I'm trying to be logical about

2786
01:49:34,110 --> 01:49:31,180
this with no proof that we have aliens

2787
01:49:36,090 --> 01:49:34,120
out there you know that we have found

2788
01:49:38,460 --> 01:49:36,100
evidence of life that exists elsewhere

2789
01:49:40,020 --> 01:49:38,470
in the world with no proof of that we do

2790
01:49:41,940 --> 01:49:40,030
know that there's life that exists on

2791
01:49:44,900 --> 01:49:41,950
earth and therefore the probability to

2792
01:49:47,010 --> 01:49:44,910
me would seem higher that anomalous

2793
01:49:49,230 --> 01:49:47,020
technologies that appear on earth from

2794
01:49:50,850 --> 01:49:49,240
time to time are of earthly origin and

2795
01:49:52,380 --> 01:49:50,860
the reason again is because the

2796
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:52,390
probability seems greater to me as a

2797
01:49:55,530 --> 01:49:53,920
result of the fact that we can prove and

2798
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:55,540
we know obviously that life on Earth

2799
01:50:00,120 --> 01:49:57,520
exists well most of us believe that at

2800
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:00,130
least now in relation to the idea that

2801
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:01,810
there is some sort of a branch of

2802
01:50:04,140 --> 01:50:03,010
physics that has been kept from the

2803
01:50:07,050 --> 01:50:04,150
public you know a lot of people think

2804
01:50:08,850 --> 01:50:07,060
that's absurd because it it wouldn't

2805
01:50:11,220 --> 01:50:08,860
involve I guess adherence to a

2806
01:50:14,130 --> 01:50:11,230
conspiracy you know or a cover-up

2807
01:50:16,590 --> 01:50:14,140
but folks let me tell you conspiracies

2808
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:16,600
occur and a conspiracy theory is merely

2809
01:50:20,610 --> 01:50:18,730
theorizing that a conspiracy may be

2810
01:50:22,350 --> 01:50:20,620
underway that term has been so

2811
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:22,360
weaponized heavily weaponized by the

2812
01:50:25,890 --> 01:50:24,010
mainstream media following the Kennedy

2813
01:50:27,780 --> 01:50:25,900
assassination which is a whole different

2814
01:50:28,860 --> 01:50:27,790
discussion we can have and and I don't

2815
01:50:30,540 --> 01:50:28,870
think that you have to go out to the

2816
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:30,550
lunatic fringe to say that maybe there

2817
01:50:35,130 --> 01:50:33,010
was there were aspects of that instance

2818
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:35,140
and other incidents that have occurred

2819
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:36,850
in American history and other you know

2820
01:50:40,530 --> 01:50:38,770
history of places in history around the

2821
01:50:42,660 --> 01:50:40,540
world you know that weren't further

2822
01:50:44,850 --> 01:50:42,670
inquiry in question and so I think that

2823
01:50:47,729 --> 01:50:44,860
the idea of a cover-up that involves

2824
01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:47,739
technology not only seems more probable

2825
01:50:52,110 --> 01:50:50,230
than alien visitation but also likely

2826
01:50:54,930 --> 01:50:52,120
and the issue I have with mainstream the

2827
01:50:56,430 --> 01:50:54,940
big s debunk or skeptics is that they

2828
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:56,440
don't want to believe in a cover-up they

2829
01:51:00,240 --> 01:50:57,760
don't want to entertain the idea of

2830
01:51:01,620 --> 01:51:00,250
conspiracies whether or not we know that

2831
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:01,630
there's historical precedent for their

2832
01:51:05,729 --> 01:51:03,970
existence they don't want to acknowledge

2833
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:05,739
the idea that there may be technologies

2834
01:51:10,260 --> 01:51:08,290
that are produced behind the scenes that

2835
01:51:11,070 --> 01:51:10,270
could answer some of these UFO questions

2836
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:11,080
you know for instance I'll just

2837
01:51:14,370 --> 01:51:12,730
illustrate it like this gods I was

2838
01:51:16,110 --> 01:51:14,380
talking with Robert Shafer protege of

2839
01:51:18,300 --> 01:51:16,120
sorts of Philip J class and he and I

2840
01:51:20,460 --> 01:51:18,310
were talking we agree on a lot Bob and I

2841
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:20,470
in and I think he's a good researcher by

2842
01:51:24,210 --> 01:51:22,570
the same token I was talking with him

2843
01:51:25,950 --> 01:51:24,220
and I said I do not believe that the

2844
01:51:27,390 --> 01:51:25,960
majority of these aircraft that people

2845
01:51:29,310 --> 01:51:27,400
claim that they have seen our alien in

2846
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:29,320
origin and I said if anything they would

2847
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:30,850
have to probably represent some sort of

2848
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:32,170
a technology that has been kept under

2849
01:51:35,250 --> 01:51:34,239
wraps perhaps by government perhaps kept

2850
01:51:36,900 --> 01:51:35,260
behind-the-scenes there are other

2851
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:36,910
avenues that could be explored you know

2852
01:51:40,410 --> 01:51:38,890
Farrell has cited Richard Dolan's idea

2853
01:51:41,310 --> 01:51:40,420
of a breakaway civilization and I think

2854
01:51:43,380 --> 01:51:41,320
that that's something that should be

2855
01:51:45,090 --> 01:51:43,390
considered as well and Schafer looked at

2856
01:51:46,890 --> 01:51:45,100
me and he says you believe that I said

2857
01:51:48,210 --> 01:51:46,900
well yes because I said again we don't

2858
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:48,220
have proof that aliens are visiting

2859
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:50,290
earth and therefore I don't want to leap

2860
01:51:54,870 --> 01:51:52,930
to that conclusion I said I mean do you

2861
01:51:57,060 --> 01:51:54,880
disagree with the idea and he says

2862
01:51:58,350 --> 01:51:57,070
absolutely absolutely I don't think it's

2863
01:52:00,000 --> 01:51:58,360
government I don't think they're secret

2864
01:52:01,229 --> 01:52:00,010
groups and and he said if there were

2865
01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:01,239
government groups that were utilizing

2866
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:03,130
this advanced technology those documents

2867
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:04,570
with Tom would have been released to the

2868
01:52:09,390 --> 01:52:06,480
public and I'm thinking oh boy what a

2869
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:09,400
what what a statement to make and I said

2870
01:52:13,140 --> 01:52:11,650
but more important then rather than what

2871
01:52:15,270 --> 01:52:13,150
I perceived as a slightly gullible

2872
01:52:17,070 --> 01:52:15,280
statement that Schafer had made more

2873
01:52:18,540 --> 01:52:17,080
important perhaps was the fact that he

2874
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:18,550
seemed to infer that he thought that

2875
01:52:21,959 --> 01:52:20,050
there was something else behind the UFO

2876
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:21,969
phenomenon and so I said wait wait Bob

2877
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:24,010
you mean to tell me that you think that

2878
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:25,090
there's something else of

2879
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:27,010
than secret government technologies and

2880
01:52:30,330 --> 01:52:28,090
things going on he says oh absolutely

2881
01:52:31,649 --> 01:52:30,340
and I said well I'm about to hear Bob

2882
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:31,659
Schaffer admit that he thinks that

2883
01:52:34,740 --> 01:52:32,650
there's something else going on with

2884
01:52:36,149 --> 01:52:34,750
UFOs I said well what is it Bob and it

2885
01:52:40,140 --> 01:52:36,159
goes people are just lying

2886
01:52:41,879 --> 01:52:40,150
and so I joked at the message and I said

2887
01:52:43,890 --> 01:52:41,889
I said Bob you and I should start a blog

2888
01:52:45,839 --> 01:52:43,900
together than incomp the lying saucer

2889
01:52:47,490 --> 01:52:45,849
and he laughed we both left you know it

2890
01:52:48,660 --> 01:52:47,500
was an amicable conversation and he said

2891
01:52:50,780 --> 01:52:48,670
well we couldn't do that brother we'd

2892
01:52:52,830 --> 01:52:50,790
both be sued but but in truth I do

2893
01:52:55,020 --> 01:52:52,840
respectfully disagree I don't think

2894
01:52:56,399 --> 01:52:55,030
people were just lying and I don't think

2895
01:52:57,839 --> 01:52:56,409
that we should be so quick to presume

2896
01:52:59,129 --> 01:52:57,849
that if there were secret technologies

2897
01:53:01,260 --> 01:52:59,139
God's going on out there

2898
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:01,270
the government would necessarily release

2899
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:02,770
that information to the public willingly

2900
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:07,840
over time they're just lying right lying

2901
01:53:13,530 --> 01:53:10,330
sauces are like that we have to get them

2902
01:53:14,879 --> 01:53:13,540
on the show that's all you should

2903
01:53:16,649 --> 01:53:14,889
definitely get him on the show I hope

2904
01:53:18,720 --> 01:53:16,659
you would agree to it I've got somebody

2905
01:53:21,689 --> 01:53:18,730
answers interesting questions here mica

2906
01:53:23,839 --> 01:53:21,699
for you and here's one from fedora

2907
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Chronicles who's one of our recent

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2913
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valley here he's got a number of

2914
01:53:44,189 --> 01:53:42,250
questions one was if there was one

2915
01:53:48,359 --> 01:53:44,199
person you could blame for the waning of

2916
01:53:50,399 --> 01:53:48,369
ufology who is it in your opinion uh I'm

2917
01:53:52,890 --> 01:53:50,409
sure we could start throwing out names I

2918
01:53:55,169 --> 01:53:52,900
don't think there's one person that you

2919
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:55,179
can blame for the waning of ufology

2920
01:54:02,310 --> 01:53:56,650
there's a number of them though that

2921
01:54:05,220 --> 01:54:02,320
have contributed but here's one um he

2922
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:05,230
wants to know mica your essential

2923
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:07,449
reading list and what's on your

2924
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:10,210
bookshelf other books that you would you

2925
01:54:15,810 --> 01:54:13,330
know urge people to become aware of uh

2926
01:54:17,250 --> 01:54:15,820
you know we do have a lot of people who

2927
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:17,260
are interested in this field who haven't

2928
01:54:21,689 --> 01:54:19,690
got Dovan and done the research and and

2929
01:54:24,570 --> 01:54:21,699
but they want to well where would you

2930
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:24,580
where would you love steer them well in

2931
01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:26,290
relation to the first question Steven

2932
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:29,110
Greer and in relation to the second

2933
01:54:33,209 --> 01:54:31,090
question you know I think that there are

2934
01:54:36,050 --> 01:54:33,219
a lot of really good books that seek not

2935
01:54:38,970 --> 01:54:36,060
to look at this politicized

2936
01:54:41,550 --> 01:54:38,980
stereotypical movement I hate that

2937
01:54:43,710 --> 01:54:41,560
expression the UFO movement let's go be

2938
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:43,720
a part of a movement you know again

2939
01:54:51,300 --> 01:54:48,730
guess Reverend Hanks sound in the way

2940
01:54:55,500 --> 01:54:51,310
I'm just expressing that ladies and

2941
01:54:58,410 --> 01:54:55,510
gentlemen we got a movement here I don't

2942
01:55:00,840 --> 01:54:58,420
want to say what kind of movement yeah I

2943
01:55:02,250 --> 01:55:00,850
am in the South gene that's why I'm

2944
01:55:07,590 --> 01:55:02,260
saying that I used to live in the south

2945
01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:07,600
did you know yeah we got movement well

2946
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:08,560
you guys know what I'm talking about

2947
01:55:12,020 --> 01:55:10,239
though I mean people who it's not so

2948
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:12,030
much a matter if we want to determine

2949
01:55:16,530 --> 01:55:14,890
logically what could be going on here we

2950
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:16,540
want to feel like we are a part of

2951
01:55:20,310 --> 01:55:17,890
something where we belong and

2952
01:55:22,590 --> 01:55:20,320
unfortunately again and maybe that is a

2953
01:55:24,180 --> 01:55:22,600
true criticism I Heavy D of the UFO

2954
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:24,190
culture and the UFO events and things

2955
01:55:26,310 --> 01:55:25,570
they're great you can learn a lot you'll

2956
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:26,320
meet great people

2957
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:28,570
heck I attended lecture at UFO events

2958
01:55:32,100 --> 01:55:30,850
myself as you guys do but by the same

2959
01:55:33,870 --> 01:55:32,110
token I think a lot of people who are

2960
01:55:35,490 --> 01:55:33,880
attendees really aren't going to learn

2961
01:55:36,660 --> 01:55:35,500
so much as to be in the location where

2962
01:55:37,950 --> 01:55:36,670
they feel that they can be a part of

2963
01:55:40,020 --> 01:55:37,960
something bigger than they are by

2964
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:40,030
themselves they can really let loose let

2965
01:55:43,470 --> 01:55:41,530
it all hang out and be who they want to

2966
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:43,480
be and that's fine but recognize the

2967
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:45,130
difference between that and real serious

2968
01:55:49,290 --> 01:55:47,290
research now books and reading lists I

2969
01:55:51,090 --> 01:55:49,300
really love the work of dr. Jacques

2970
01:55:52,260 --> 01:55:51,100
Vallee who I do

2971
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:52,270
I mean I've disagreed with Jacques

2972
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:54,370
Vallee on a few points at times but but

2973
01:55:57,930 --> 01:55:55,930
I feel that he is one of the most if not

2974
01:56:00,150 --> 01:55:57,940
the most intelligent commentator who has

2975
01:56:02,340 --> 01:56:00,160
ever come and tried to present

2976
01:56:04,890 --> 01:56:02,350
information about UFOs in a logical

2977
01:56:06,780 --> 01:56:04,900
methodical and scientific way I also say

2978
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:06,790
go back and look at the work of J Allen

2979
01:56:09,810 --> 01:56:08,560
Hynek you know read the Bluebook papers

2980
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:09,820
they're all available most of them I

2981
01:56:13,979 --> 01:56:12,010
think online and also of course in the

2982
01:56:15,180 --> 01:56:13,989
condensed versions of publications that

2983
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:15,190
have been released over the years a

2984
01:56:19,190 --> 01:56:17,410
great book I actually have right here

2985
01:56:21,630 --> 01:56:19,200
which again I think is largely

2986
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:21,640
speculative but points us maybe in the

2987
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:23,170
right direction in terms of the science

2988
01:56:27,330 --> 01:56:25,090
behind some of these aircraft it's a

2989
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book by Paul Potter the target friend

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David Hatcher Childress released

2991
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gravitational manipulation of domed

2992
01:56:36,180 --> 01:56:34,330
craft UFO propulsion dynamics you can

2993
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:36,190
literally buy this book at Barnes &

2994
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Noble and it's available online too

2995
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:39,730
through adventures and limited press but

2996
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:41,650
that's a really thick interesting book

2997
01:56:46,050 --> 01:56:44,050
way to tech technical I think for a lot

2998
01:56:47,459 --> 01:56:46,060
of people but you know I think that it

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really is something that it very least

3000
01:56:52,530 --> 01:56:50,170
in terms of hypothesis puts forward some

3001
01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:52,540
interesting points about the mechanics

3002
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:54,610
some of these aircraft and of course I

3003
01:56:58,080 --> 01:56:56,410
do like Joseph Farrell's research I

3004
01:56:59,730 --> 01:56:58,090
would recommend Carl Sagan's the demon

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haunted world I know a lot of people may

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cringe when I say that but it's

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important to get the perspective of the

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skeptics just as well

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don't be one-sided in your approach as

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as soon as you are you too will become

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just as biased I read as much from the

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skeptical riders on these subjects as I

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do from the believers and I'll tell you

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what really to me it's not about belief

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at all it's again about the fundamental

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principle that science is about

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disproving the hypothesis not going out

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and Chris pursuing all sorts of

3124
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cutting-edge UFO questions Micah what do

3125
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:39,699
you have to say for people like Stanton

3126
02:02:43,169 --> 02:02:41,650
Friedman or a Don Berliner and other

3127
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people have just been doing it for six

3128
02:02:48,060 --> 02:02:45,820
or seven decades where they seem to be a

3129
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:48,070
little rigid in their approach to the

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subject and when you hit him with

3131
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something new they're very quick to

3132
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dismiss it Stanton Friedman you know

3133
02:02:58,200 --> 02:02:55,840
I've met Stanton on numerous occasions

3134
02:03:00,060 --> 02:02:58,210
I've interviewed him he's a wonderful

3135
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fella you know and he should be

3136
02:03:04,740 --> 02:03:02,170
recognized for the work he has done

3137
02:03:06,510 --> 02:03:04,750
Stanton is an educated individual just

3138
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:06,520
as well and I think that in terms of

3139
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:09,370
what he has done for the popularization

3140
02:03:15,240 --> 02:03:12,130
of what again I think he and fairness

3141
02:03:17,250 --> 02:03:15,250
calls scientific study of UFOs he should

3142
02:03:20,040 --> 02:03:17,260
be commended now I have also sat on a

3143
02:03:22,290 --> 02:03:20,050
panel with with um with Stanton which

3144
02:03:25,050 --> 02:03:22,300
interestingly I was billed as the

3145
02:03:26,220 --> 02:03:25,060
skeptic and it was me Stanton Friedman

3146
02:03:29,010 --> 02:03:26,230
and Richard Dolan

3147
02:03:30,240 --> 02:03:29,020
maybe his evidence of Stanton's views on

3148
02:03:31,080 --> 02:03:30,250
what I have to say is when I was

3149
02:03:32,370 --> 02:03:31,090
actually

3150
02:03:34,380 --> 02:03:32,380
responding to one of the questions he

3151
02:03:35,700 --> 02:03:34,390
fell asleep bless his heart

3152
02:03:38,700 --> 02:03:35,710
[Music]

3153
02:03:41,550 --> 02:03:38,710
Lisa Eagle ladies and gentlemen I

3154
02:03:42,780 --> 02:03:41,560
sincerely hope that our elicitor is not

3155
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:42,790
falling asleep right now

3156
02:03:47,490 --> 02:03:45,520
go hey by the way I like Stan -

3157
02:03:49,680 --> 02:03:47,500
I've known him for a hundred thousand

3158
02:03:51,959 --> 02:03:49,690
years and he knows I don't agree with

3159
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:51,969
everything he says yeah well that's the

3160
02:03:55,410 --> 02:03:54,010
important thing gene you know the four

3161
02:03:57,149 --> 02:03:55,420
of us may not always agree you know

3162
02:03:58,979 --> 02:03:57,159
God's next time we have this talk and I

3163
02:04:01,109 --> 02:03:58,989
hope we can do it again in the future

3164
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:01,119
you know he may say Myka flatly disagree

3165
02:04:03,720 --> 02:04:02,290
with what you say on that and I do

3166
02:04:05,879 --> 02:04:03,730
disagree with a lot of things that

3167
02:04:07,109 --> 02:04:05,889
Stanton says I still see the merit of

3168
02:04:08,939 --> 02:04:07,119
his research but I think that

3169
02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:08,949
unfortunately what we also see is that

3170
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:11,170
over time a lot of researchers become

3171
02:04:17,010 --> 02:04:14,290
beholden to a belief in what they have

3172
02:04:18,359 --> 02:04:17,020
you know found to an extent - not

3173
02:04:19,410 --> 02:04:18,369
necessarily with Stanton but I mean to

3174
02:04:21,030 --> 02:04:19,420
an extent on it there are also

3175
02:04:24,330 --> 02:04:21,040
researchers who once they've written a

3176
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:24,340
book about something they flatly deny an

3177
02:04:29,129 --> 02:04:26,770
alternative hypothesis and they tend to

3178
02:04:31,020 --> 02:04:29,139
jump up and down on the premise that has

3179
02:04:33,450 --> 02:04:31,030
you know helped you know elevate their

3180
02:04:35,310 --> 02:04:33,460
you know their research and of course

3181
02:04:36,540 --> 02:04:35,320
you know you know maybe put a few

3182
02:04:38,430 --> 02:04:36,550
dollars in their pocket which again

3183
02:04:40,470 --> 02:04:38,440
that's not a criticism people have a

3184
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:40,480
right to be able to make money we think

3185
02:04:44,220 --> 02:04:41,770
about scientists that sit around you

3186
02:04:45,450 --> 02:04:44,230
know studying h1n1 or you know

3187
02:04:47,129 --> 02:04:45,460
scientists who are out there you know

3188
02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:47,139
trying to create Petri meat in a

3189
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:48,730
laboratory to help you know deal with

3190
02:04:52,770 --> 02:04:51,610
scarcity and and hunger problems that we

3191
02:04:54,780 --> 02:04:52,780
have especially in other parts of the

3192
02:04:56,310 --> 02:04:54,790
world most scientists are paid for that

3193
02:04:57,870 --> 02:04:56,320
work that they do there's nothing wrong

3194
02:04:59,669 --> 02:04:57,880
with being paid for the work that you do

3195
02:05:01,859 --> 02:04:59,679
you can still give back to people and

3196
02:05:03,180 --> 02:05:01,869
make money as well and I think that

3197
02:05:05,220 --> 02:05:03,190
there are UFO researchers who have done

3198
02:05:08,339 --> 02:05:05,230
that just as well they have done good

3199
02:05:10,290 --> 02:05:08,349
work they have made an impression and a

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lasting impression but we have to be

3201
02:05:13,350 --> 02:05:11,710
careful not to allow that impression

3202
02:05:14,850 --> 02:05:13,360
that has been made be the final word

3203
02:05:16,470 --> 02:05:14,860
because obviously if we had the final

3204
02:05:17,910 --> 02:05:16,480
word on UFOs there would be no need for

3205
02:05:19,740 --> 02:05:17,920
a discussion like one we're having right

3206
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:19,750
now you know I think it's important to

3207
02:05:23,490 --> 02:05:21,040
the people who are involved in this

3208
02:05:25,649 --> 02:05:23,500
field if you see evidence it's something

3209
02:05:27,689 --> 02:05:25,659
you believe in or a theory if express is

3210
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:27,699
wrong say so you can disagree with

3211
02:05:32,339 --> 02:05:30,610
yourself you can disagree with yourself

3212
02:05:33,899 --> 02:05:32,349
i I've disagreed with myself

3213
02:05:35,459 --> 02:05:33,909
you know I've gone back and forth on and

3214
02:05:37,709 --> 02:05:35,469
there been people who have admired and

3215
02:05:39,660 --> 02:05:37,719
then there are people you know who the

3216
02:05:41,250 --> 02:05:39,670
same people I've admired who a few years

3217
02:05:43,620 --> 02:05:41,260
after the fact I look at more what

3218
02:05:44,430 --> 02:05:43,630
they've had to say I my own opinions may

3219
02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:44,440
change and I

3220
02:05:49,410 --> 02:05:46,930
myself in stark opposition we think that

3221
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:49,420
those researchers have said you know if

3222
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:51,250
there's one criticism I would even give

3223
02:05:54,570 --> 02:05:53,050
myself and it's important I think is

3224
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:54,580
good researchers to try and be critical

3225
02:05:57,780 --> 02:05:55,930
of ourselves I would say that you know

3226
02:05:59,790 --> 02:05:57,790
for instance my book the UFO singularity

3227
02:06:01,830 --> 02:05:59,800
I like a lot of what I wrote in that

3228
02:06:03,030 --> 02:06:01,840
book but even just what is it you're

3229
02:06:05,970 --> 02:06:03,040
gonna have two years after the

3230
02:06:08,250 --> 02:06:05,980
publication of that book I have not come

3231
02:06:10,110 --> 02:06:08,260
away from the kind of what I call

3232
02:06:12,390 --> 02:06:10,120
informed speculation that I put forward

3233
02:06:14,220 --> 02:06:12,400
in that book which is essentially making

3234
02:06:16,050 --> 02:06:14,230
a case for we've studied this phenomenon

3235
02:06:17,729 --> 02:06:16,060
now what do we do with it and how can we

3236
02:06:20,939 --> 02:06:17,739
look ahead to the future and a

3237
02:06:22,830 --> 02:06:20,949
technology that is kind of you know kind

3238
02:06:25,110 --> 02:06:22,840
of appearing right now in our midst what

3239
02:06:26,550 --> 02:06:25,120
will this tell us about UFOs I look back

3240
02:06:28,140 --> 02:06:26,560
at that book and I say that I think that

3241
02:06:30,630 --> 02:06:28,150
that's a meaningful statement but you

3242
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:30,640
know my next book the ghost rockets took

3243
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:32,050
a very different approach it was much

3244
02:06:34,620 --> 02:06:33,610
more nuts and bolts here the facts this

3245
02:06:36,360 --> 02:06:34,630
is what we're looking at and here's

3246
02:06:37,740 --> 02:06:36,370
government documents to prove it you

3247
02:06:38,820 --> 02:06:37,750
know again I can look at my own work and

3248
02:06:41,130 --> 02:06:38,830
say you know there are times I think

3249
02:06:43,170 --> 02:06:41,140
where we need more good hard data and

3250
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:43,180
analysis which was you know again this

3251
02:06:46,890 --> 02:06:44,890
is the whole dichotomy between J Allen

3252
02:06:48,240 --> 02:06:46,900
Hynek Jacques Vallee you know the idea

3253
02:06:49,590 --> 02:06:48,250
of there being something that was more

3254
02:06:51,689 --> 02:06:49,600
extra dimensional as opposed to

3255
02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:51,699
extraterrestrial versus the hardcore

3256
02:06:55,620 --> 02:06:54,130
nuts-and-bolts UFO approach I think we

3257
02:06:57,450 --> 02:06:55,630
have to find a balance between the two

3258
02:06:59,250 --> 02:06:57,460
and it's really not something that we

3259
02:07:01,800 --> 02:06:59,260
understand fully enough at this point

3260
02:07:03,689 --> 02:07:01,810
that we can so simply say it's aliens or

3261
02:07:04,979 --> 02:07:03,699
its you know extra dimensionals it's

3262
02:07:06,720 --> 02:07:04,989
something you know like what John keel

3263
02:07:08,130 --> 02:07:06,730
would have said or or it's simply some

3264
02:07:09,810 --> 02:07:08,140
sort of a conspiracy and it's all from

3265
02:07:11,610 --> 02:07:09,820
here on planet Earth we just don't know

3266
02:07:13,200 --> 02:07:11,620
when we have to be open to possibilities

3267
02:07:15,720 --> 02:07:13,210
but discerning in the way we approach

3268
02:07:17,580 --> 02:07:15,730
those possibilities well one thing we do

3269
02:07:19,470 --> 02:07:17,590
know and that is not everyone who

3270
02:07:23,250 --> 02:07:19,480
reports a UFO or claims that they've

3271
02:07:24,900 --> 02:07:23,260
seen one is lying right I will add

3272
02:07:26,850 --> 02:07:24,910
people set off and when they listen to

3273
02:07:28,920 --> 02:07:26,860
my podcast you know I do try to take a

3274
02:07:30,120 --> 02:07:28,930
middle ground approach and they say you

3275
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:30,130
know Michael sometimes you're so in the

3276
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:31,210
middle that you don't seem to have any

3277
02:07:35,370 --> 02:07:34,090
opinions of your own I argue that's not

3278
02:07:36,570 --> 02:07:35,380
the case the reason I'm trying to be

3279
02:07:38,250 --> 02:07:36,580
middle-of-the-road is because you know

3280
02:07:40,439 --> 02:07:38,260
especially in this paradigm when it

3281
02:07:42,870 --> 02:07:40,449
comes to this discussion of UFOs there

3282
02:07:44,580 --> 02:07:42,880
is this war between the two extremely

3283
02:07:46,410 --> 02:07:44,590
polarized factions of believers and

3284
02:07:48,780 --> 02:07:46,420
skeptics the skeptics very interestingly

3285
02:07:51,420 --> 02:07:48,790
seem to be able to explain 100% of the

3286
02:07:53,280 --> 02:07:51,430
time skeptically all claims of

3287
02:07:55,770 --> 02:07:53,290
paranormal phenomena that's very strange

3288
02:07:58,149 --> 02:07:55,780
to me because again with science we

3289
02:08:00,250 --> 02:07:58,159
aren't trying to go about you know

3290
02:08:01,810 --> 02:08:00,260
saying that there are no unexplained

3291
02:08:03,729 --> 02:08:01,820
phenomenon with science what we're

3292
02:08:04,989 --> 02:08:03,739
trying to say is if there is at least

3293
02:08:07,359 --> 02:08:04,999
what appears to be an unexplained

3294
02:08:09,370 --> 02:08:07,369
phenomenon there is data which warrants

3295
02:08:11,229 --> 02:08:09,380
the study of then we should proceed

3296
02:08:12,909 --> 02:08:11,239
cautiously and carefully but we should

3297
02:08:14,529 --> 02:08:12,919
at least explore the possibility that we

3298
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:14,539
were observing some sort of a phenomena

3299
02:08:17,709 --> 02:08:15,650
that is little-understood

3300
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:17,719
the believers of course pit themselves

3301
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:19,010
against this and they tend to believe

3302
02:08:22,359 --> 02:08:21,050
wild things from tons of time just

3303
02:08:23,919 --> 02:08:22,369
because they want to disagree with the

3304
02:08:26,049 --> 02:08:23,929
skeptics you know it's a paradigm it's

3305
02:08:27,729 --> 02:08:26,059
it's this whole pathological kind of a

3306
02:08:29,739 --> 02:08:27,739
mindset that I think on the extremes

3307
02:08:31,239 --> 02:08:29,749
people gravitate toward in the middle

3308
02:08:33,250 --> 02:08:31,249
you can stand and you can look both ways

3309
02:08:34,689 --> 02:08:33,260
and really in some instances you have to

3310
02:08:37,149 --> 02:08:34,699
be able to look toward the skeptical or

3311
02:08:39,399 --> 02:08:37,159
the believer side and say the data

3312
02:08:41,439 --> 02:08:39,409
before us points to more of this and so

3313
02:08:43,779 --> 02:08:41,449
I will say not being in the middle on

3314
02:08:45,699 --> 02:08:43,789
this point I adamantly disagree with

3315
02:08:47,739 --> 02:08:45,709
Robert Schaeffer that people are just

3316
02:08:49,330 --> 02:08:47,749
lying I've heard PZ Myers say the same

3317
02:08:51,100 --> 02:08:49,340
thing last year that there are probably

3318
02:08:53,859 --> 02:08:51,110
people with psychological disorders who

3319
02:08:56,589 --> 02:08:53,869
are observing UFOs if that's the case if

3320
02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:56,599
all UFO phenomenon is representative of

3321
02:09:00,729 --> 02:08:58,880
people who are misperceiving possibly

3322
02:09:03,069 --> 02:09:00,739
due to middle disorders the entire

3323
02:09:05,199 --> 02:09:03,079
nature of what we call modern study of

3324
02:09:07,330 --> 02:09:05,209
psychology has to be rewritten because

3325
02:09:08,770 --> 02:09:07,340
we obviously have no understanding of

3326
02:09:12,159 --> 02:09:08,780
the fundamental mechanisms of the human

3327
02:09:14,649 --> 02:09:12,169
mind that to me is not an excuse why

3328
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UFOs don't exist don't you think that

3329
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one thing that I want from people in

3330
02:09:23,049 --> 02:09:19,729
ufology and it's not a big ask and just

3331
02:09:25,390 --> 02:09:23,059
a willingness to change their mind when

3332
02:09:27,279 --> 02:09:25,400
presented with compelling evidence to

3333
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:27,289
the contrary of their current belief

3334
02:09:32,799 --> 02:09:30,050
yeah as much as I admire Stanton

3335
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Friedman I am just not sure if he's ever

3336
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done a 180 on anything I could be wrong

3337
02:09:41,919 --> 02:09:39,139
but he just seems very very set in his

3338
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in his ways and his beliefs in ufology

3339
02:09:48,100 --> 02:09:44,300
and you know don't get me started and

3340
02:09:50,500 --> 02:09:48,110
people like Greer and Bassett Chris will

3341
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tell you you obviously saw as well mica

3342
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but the recent kind of congressional

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healings yeah

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the some of the people that that were

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involved in that were great they were

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fantastic you know they were they were

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good for illustrating some good cases in

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ufology and they had a lot of

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interesting things to say

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physicist lecturer Stanton Friedman you

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are listening to the pair against the

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gold standard a paranormal radio will

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have work your questions on this segment

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Godsmack I was beginning a commentary

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about different stages of UFO belief and

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such just parenthetically I think at the

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last MUFON convention Steve Bassett was

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honored which i think is really just

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pushing things way too far

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mica Hanks is joining us this week with

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Dean and Chris Cox you have more to say

3464
02:15:29,580 --> 02:15:25,510
yeah I was gonna say that

3465
02:15:32,280 --> 02:15:29,590
Steven Bassett he was so resolute in I

3466
02:15:35,640 --> 02:15:32,290
think so I think he was kind of pushed

3467
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:35,650
on his choice of people to have earnest

3468
02:15:41,100 --> 02:15:37,930
and these hearings as citizens hearings

3469
02:15:43,230 --> 02:15:41,110
and I just I don't get the guy I can't

3470
02:15:47,070 --> 02:15:43,240
understand him at all because you know

3471
02:15:49,110 --> 02:15:47,080
he saw once this truth embargo as he

3472
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:49,120
calls it to come to an end he's

3473
02:15:53,700 --> 02:15:50,710
obviously very passionate about

3474
02:15:56,280 --> 02:15:53,710
passionate about ufology but why he

3475
02:16:00,120 --> 02:15:56,290
can't seem to understand that to people

3476
02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:00,130
who are not into you follow gee that you

3477
02:16:04,770 --> 02:16:01,330
know if you have the if you have the

3478
02:16:07,620 --> 02:16:04,780
whoo-hoo crowd they you know like what

3479
02:16:10,460 --> 02:16:07,630
Paul Hellyer said I can't quote verbatim

3480
02:16:13,020 --> 02:16:10,470
what he said but let's just say

3481
02:16:15,450 --> 02:16:13,030
information without any possible way to

3482
02:16:16,080 --> 02:16:15,460
back it up that would be the kind way to

3483
02:16:18,120 --> 02:16:16,090
say it

3484
02:16:20,310 --> 02:16:18,130
and Steven Bassett doesn't see anything

3485
02:16:22,230 --> 02:16:20,320
wrong with having this kind of person

3486
02:16:25,110 --> 02:16:22,240
you know on the same panel the same

3487
02:16:28,110 --> 02:16:25,120
forum same stage as people with

3488
02:16:30,810 --> 02:16:28,120
perfectly good information and credible

3489
02:16:32,669 --> 02:16:30,820
tales with evidence you know personal

3490
02:16:34,830 --> 02:16:32,679
experience and then you've got the other

3491
02:16:38,220 --> 02:16:34,840
ones who are just giving third fourth

3492
02:16:40,590 --> 02:16:38,230
hand rubbish information and he's giving

3493
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:40,600
them kind of equal billing and he does

3494
02:16:45,599 --> 02:16:42,969
strike me as a very intelligent man

3495
02:16:48,360 --> 02:16:45,609
but why he can't see that that is not

3496
02:16:50,610 --> 02:16:48,370
helping you follow gee I just do not

3497
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:50,620
know I'd like to comment on that GOG

3498
02:16:54,599 --> 02:16:52,210
hurricane and I'll try and beat you I

3499
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:54,609
know time's running nine but uh Steven

3500
02:16:58,679 --> 02:16:56,170
I've met Steven on a number of occasions

3501
02:17:00,240 --> 02:16:58,689
he has always been a true gentleman

3502
02:17:01,889 --> 02:17:00,250
you know he asked for a copy of my book

3503
02:17:04,110 --> 02:17:01,899
one time and I gave it to him and I was

3504
02:17:05,969 --> 02:17:04,120
sure I felt honored really but he's one

3505
02:17:07,139 --> 02:17:05,979
of the very people who in the past in an

3506
02:17:08,339 --> 02:17:07,149
article in faint magazine had

3507
02:17:10,530 --> 02:17:08,349
essentially called for the end of

3508
02:17:12,780 --> 02:17:10,540
ufology and said that we're beyond the

3509
02:17:14,009 --> 02:17:12,790
need to study UFOs we already know that

3510
02:17:15,450 --> 02:17:14,019
there's a phenomenon we need to move

3511
02:17:17,070 --> 02:17:15,460
into this realm of activism and

3512
02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:17,080
disclosure essentially as what he said

3513
02:17:20,129 --> 02:17:18,729
so it's interesting that this would be

3514
02:17:22,169 --> 02:17:20,139
one of the very people who has talked

3515
02:17:24,059 --> 02:17:22,179
about the so-called end of ufology okay

3516
02:17:26,490 --> 02:17:24,069
that said with regard to the citizens

3517
02:17:28,440 --> 02:17:26,500
hearing on UFO disclosure there's some

3518
02:17:30,419 --> 02:17:28,450
good that came out of that but also know

3519
02:17:31,650 --> 02:17:30,429
that the former congressmen and women

3520
02:17:32,879 --> 02:17:31,660
you know the individuals who are the

3521
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:32,889
people who were actually sitting on

3522
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:35,050
hearing not people who were holding

3523
02:17:38,219 --> 02:17:36,729
standing positions in office because I

3524
02:17:39,660 --> 02:17:38,229
don't think any standing elected

3525
02:17:42,540 --> 02:17:39,670
officials would probably have taken that

3526
02:17:44,940 --> 02:17:42,550
you know and done it they were paid you

3527
02:17:46,349 --> 02:17:44,950
know a good amount of money and being

3528
02:17:48,629 --> 02:17:46,359
paid to be there and to sit and listen

3529
02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:48,639
to that stuff I'm sure that they not

3530
02:17:51,870 --> 02:17:50,290
necessarily be derisive toward it when I

3531
02:17:53,099 --> 02:17:51,880
say that stuff but you know I'm sure

3532
02:17:55,169 --> 02:17:53,109
that they were more than willing to sit

3533
02:17:57,299 --> 02:17:55,179
there having been paid a large sum of

3534
02:17:58,950 --> 02:17:57,309
money to do so and listen to what people

3535
02:18:00,389 --> 02:17:58,960
had to say the big problem I think the

3536
02:18:01,860 --> 02:18:00,399
biggest problem with what was presented

3537
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:01,870
at that citizens hearing a lot of people

3538
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:03,130
have said that there were people like

3539
02:18:07,080 --> 02:18:05,050
Richard French who showed up and made

3540
02:18:08,309 --> 02:18:07,090
some very strange statements people were

3541
02:18:09,719 --> 02:18:08,319
saying where'd this guy come from you

3542
02:18:11,729 --> 02:18:09,729
know open minds has talked about him in

3543
02:18:13,589 --> 02:18:11,739
the past and in fact John keel mentions

3544
02:18:15,419 --> 02:18:13,599
a Richard French who he thought was one

3545
02:18:17,190 --> 02:18:15,429
of these these pseudonyms that somebody

3546
02:18:19,169 --> 02:18:17,200
uh essentially what qu'il called an MIB

3547
02:18:20,910 --> 02:18:19,179
he didn't think that this was a real

3548
02:18:22,200 --> 02:18:20,920
person but he named a gentleman named

3549
02:18:23,759 --> 02:18:22,210
Richard French who claimed to be with

3550
02:18:25,650 --> 02:18:23,769
the Air Force who in the second chapter

3551
02:18:27,450 --> 02:18:25,660
of the book Mothman Prophecies pops up

3552
02:18:29,549 --> 02:18:27,460
so I think obviously Richard French some

3553
02:18:30,929 --> 02:18:29,559
of what he has said is true and yet he

3554
02:18:32,820 --> 02:18:30,939
made these strange claims about seeing

3555
02:18:35,070 --> 02:18:32,830
these little alien guys working on a UFO

3556
02:18:36,269 --> 02:18:35,080
off like the coast of Newfoundland or

3557
02:18:37,440 --> 02:18:36,279
something like that and somehow he's

3558
02:18:39,179 --> 02:18:37,450
able to see down into the water and

3559
02:18:40,650 --> 02:18:39,189
seeing them work there were a lot of

3560
02:18:42,839 --> 02:18:40,660
strange things that people were talking

3561
02:18:45,240 --> 02:18:42,849
about and the testimony this is the big

3562
02:18:46,799 --> 02:18:45,250
problem the testimony and the points and

3563
02:18:48,570 --> 02:18:46,809
opinions being issued by the people who

3564
02:18:50,129 --> 02:18:48,580
are the panelists at that event they

3565
02:18:51,809 --> 02:18:50,139
didn't seem to all agree on all the

3566
02:18:54,150 --> 02:18:51,819
aspects you can't tell me that what

3567
02:18:55,740 --> 02:18:54,160
Linda Moulton Howe said was in agreement

3568
02:18:56,730 --> 02:18:55,750
with what Kevin Randle would have said

3569
02:18:58,049 --> 02:18:56,740
you know or what

3570
02:18:59,820 --> 02:18:58,059
deulim would have to say on the subject

3571
02:19:01,680 --> 02:18:59,830
would be you know in agreement with

3572
02:19:03,180 --> 02:19:01,690
Bassett's own views you know there

3573
02:19:05,640 --> 02:19:03,190
hasn't been any kind of a systematic

3574
02:19:07,890 --> 02:19:05,650
cohesive presentation on okay this is

3575
02:19:09,839 --> 02:19:07,900
what I think on the whole as the UFO

3576
02:19:11,160 --> 02:19:09,849
community we all know there's some of

3577
02:19:12,810 --> 02:19:11,170
the stuff that we all think but we can't

3578
02:19:14,209 --> 02:19:12,820
prove this is this is what we know and

3579
02:19:16,740 --> 02:19:14,219
this is the best evidence that

3580
02:19:18,419 --> 02:19:16,750
unfortunately is not what was presented

3581
02:19:20,879 --> 02:19:18,429
at the citizens hearing it was that it

3582
02:19:23,490 --> 02:19:20,889
was kind of this buffet line of all

3583
02:19:24,930 --> 02:19:23,500
these different things that somehow over

3584
02:19:26,370 --> 02:19:24,940
the years have managed to fall under

3585
02:19:28,320 --> 02:19:26,380
this kind of umbrella of what we call

3586
02:19:29,910 --> 02:19:28,330
ufology and this was given to people who

3587
02:19:31,379 --> 02:19:29,920
are not current you know standing

3588
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:31,389
politicians who are paid money to sit

3589
02:19:35,640 --> 02:19:33,040
there and listen to it and it was a

3590
02:19:37,770 --> 02:19:35,650
scattered scattered on approach let's

3591
02:19:39,900 --> 02:19:37,780
just throw as much different stuff at

3592
02:19:43,080 --> 02:19:39,910
them and see what sticks and I don't

3593
02:19:44,520 --> 02:19:43,090
think in my opinion with respect to the

3594
02:19:46,020 --> 02:19:44,530
people who were there some of them dear

3595
02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:46,030
friends of mine Richard Dolan Steve

3596
02:19:50,460 --> 02:19:48,250
Bassett I like him a lot and I I commend

3597
02:19:52,770 --> 02:19:50,470
him for the work he does but but we need

3598
02:19:54,690 --> 02:19:52,780
a slightly less scattered approach like

3599
02:19:56,940 --> 02:19:54,700
you say gods if we're going to convince

3600
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:56,950
anybody about what we're doing and

3601
02:19:59,630 --> 02:19:58,479
frankly it's a shame that we have to pay

3602
02:20:02,370 --> 02:19:59,640
people who are no longer actually

3603
02:20:03,930 --> 02:20:02,380
representatives to listen to such you

3604
02:20:05,550 --> 02:20:03,940
know scattered I won't call it nonsense

3605
02:20:07,320 --> 02:20:05,560
because it's not all nonsense but it's

3606
02:20:09,030 --> 02:20:07,330
certainly not the best presentation of

3607
02:20:10,380 --> 02:20:09,040
the information that we could have given

3608
02:20:11,850 --> 02:20:10,390
I think some of the people who were

3609
02:20:13,950 --> 02:20:11,860
there though are some of the best

3610
02:20:16,350 --> 02:20:13,960
presenters on this it's just I think we

3611
02:20:19,020 --> 02:20:16,360
need a more systematized logical

3612
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:19,030
procedure in how we present that we're

3613
02:20:22,380 --> 02:20:20,560
never going to move forward truly if we

3614
02:20:25,230 --> 02:20:22,390
don't do that well I've got to jump in

3615
02:20:27,030 --> 02:20:25,240
here to have Paul Hellyer sum up the

3616
02:20:30,060 --> 02:20:27,040
entire proceedings with the final

3617
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:30,070
comments and then read out of Jim sparks

3618
02:20:37,080 --> 02:20:33,130
book a verbatim conversation that sparks

3619
02:20:39,560 --> 02:20:37,090
claims he had with ETS and how let's get

3620
02:20:43,160 --> 02:20:39,570
real Jim sparks I don't really think has

3621
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:43,170
the kind of credibility that would to me

3622
02:20:49,950 --> 02:20:47,290
warrant being quoted to sum up a very I

3623
02:20:52,380 --> 02:20:49,960
think groundbreaking in many ways a van

3624
02:20:55,380 --> 02:20:52,390
like the Citizen hearings unfortunately

3625
02:20:57,960 --> 02:20:55,390
you know you have this whole idea that

3626
02:21:00,300 --> 02:20:57,970
anything that anybody says out there can

3627
02:21:02,400 --> 02:21:00,310
be used to you support some sort of

3628
02:21:05,040 --> 02:21:02,410
conclusion that you've come to in your

3629
02:21:08,520 --> 02:21:05,050
own mind and unfortunately to have him

3630
02:21:10,200 --> 02:21:08,530
quote Jim sparks et conversation to sum

3631
02:21:12,690 --> 02:21:10,210
up the entire proceedings to me

3632
02:21:14,280 --> 02:21:12,700
it just trashed the whole thing in my

3633
02:21:15,810 --> 02:21:14,290
mind and if I hadn't been working there

3634
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:15,820
I would have jumped up and said

3635
02:21:20,280 --> 02:21:18,880
something in indignation believe me well

3636
02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:20,290
it certainly wasn't the best

3637
02:21:25,590 --> 02:21:23,050
representation of material that could

3638
02:21:27,390 --> 02:21:25,600
appear at an event otherwise as well

3639
02:21:28,500 --> 02:21:27,400
planned and coordinated as the citizens

3640
02:21:29,820 --> 02:21:28,510
hearing was and I know that there are

3641
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:29,830
people out there who won't agree with me

3642
02:21:33,420 --> 02:21:31,930
and things I've said I'm I always try to

3643
02:21:36,020 --> 02:21:33,430
be a gentleman because I don't believe

3644
02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:36,030
that most situations when it comes to

3645
02:21:40,950 --> 02:21:39,130
intellectual debate really warrant just

3646
02:21:42,360 --> 02:21:40,960
being snarky and rude and rice important

3647
02:21:44,280 --> 02:21:42,370
people I have tremendous respect for

3648
02:21:46,500 --> 02:21:44,290
people who I do not agree with in this

3649
02:21:49,290 --> 02:21:46,510
field but I do think also that if we

3650
02:21:51,450 --> 02:21:49,300
hope to move beyond this so-called field

3651
02:21:53,670 --> 02:21:51,460
of ufology the so-called movement of

3652
02:21:55,500 --> 02:21:53,680
ufology we do have to represent

3653
02:21:57,480 --> 02:21:55,510
ourselves a little better and little at

3654
02:21:58,410 --> 02:21:57,490
least try and be all on the same page if

3655
02:22:00,390 --> 02:21:58,420
we're going to do it that may never

3656
02:22:02,850 --> 02:22:00,400
happen but maybe that is the reason for

3657
02:22:04,830 --> 02:22:02,860
as some have called the end of ufology

3658
02:22:06,510 --> 02:22:04,840
I'm on the fence about it myself I'm not

3659
02:22:07,950 --> 02:22:06,520
saying we should stop researching UFOs

3660
02:22:10,469 --> 02:22:07,960
but I think maybe that we need to be

3661
02:22:12,870 --> 02:22:10,479
careful about what we call UFO research

3662
02:22:15,930 --> 02:22:12,880
yeah and I agree and that kind of leads

3663
02:22:19,260 --> 02:22:15,940
us to this next topic and that is

3664
02:22:22,680 --> 02:22:19,270
whether we're seeing a division of

3665
02:22:24,570 --> 02:22:22,690
ufology into two separate sort of camps

3666
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:24,580
categories you have your true believers

3667
02:22:28,980 --> 02:22:27,010
kind of creating religious belief around

3668
02:22:31,410 --> 02:22:28,990
this subject and then you have the

3669
02:22:32,550 --> 02:22:31,420
invisible college types who are taking

3670
02:22:35,040 --> 02:22:32,560
their their research and their

3671
02:22:37,890 --> 02:22:35,050
investigative work underground out of

3672
02:22:40,320 --> 02:22:37,900
sight of the public mind and out of the

3673
02:22:44,610 --> 02:22:40,330
public consciousness and attempting to

3674
02:22:48,180 --> 02:22:44,620
do quality research privately and on the

3675
02:22:49,890 --> 02:22:48,190
Qt I really see that as I think serious

3676
02:22:52,740 --> 02:22:49,900
ufology is going to become less visible

3677
02:22:55,020 --> 02:22:52,750
and you're gonna have this this pop

3678
02:22:57,140 --> 02:22:55,030
culture sort of religious fervor that's

3679
02:23:00,090 --> 02:22:57,150
going to you know I think really

3680
02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:00,100
coalesce around itself and we see that

3681
02:23:05,130 --> 02:23:02,890
with with people such as james gilliland

3682
02:23:08,190 --> 02:23:05,140
up at trout lake Steven Greer Michael

3683
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:08,200
horn blowing his particular horn about

3684
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:10,210
the billy meier case it's the people

3685
02:23:14,670 --> 02:23:12,010
that are willing to suspend a disbelief

3686
02:23:18,570 --> 02:23:14,680
that are almost viewing this subject I

3687
02:23:20,460 --> 02:23:18,580
think in in almost a religious way and

3688
02:23:22,350 --> 02:23:20,470
then you have your serious investigators

3689
02:23:23,250 --> 02:23:22,360
and researchers who we're actually going

3690
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:23,260
on the ground with their

3691
02:23:28,440 --> 02:23:25,120
work I have been for quite some time

3692
02:23:30,840 --> 02:23:28,450
actually been quietly making strides in

3693
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:30,850
a hard day time wanna Turing a scenario

3694
02:23:36,450 --> 02:23:33,760
and what do you guys think I mean should

3695
02:23:38,280 --> 02:23:36,460
we just separate it out and have you

3696
02:23:41,700 --> 02:23:38,290
know the true believers kind of have

3697
02:23:44,219 --> 02:23:41,710
their own little say no and what do you

3698
02:23:47,070 --> 02:23:44,229
well Chris what about there's kind of

3699
02:23:49,019 --> 02:23:47,080
like two ways it could be underground as

3700
02:23:51,870 --> 02:23:49,029
as you put it and as I said in the

3701
02:23:56,099 --> 02:23:51,880
article and you've got the the Bigelow

3702
02:23:58,590 --> 02:23:56,109
way you know I want to have the last say

3703
02:24:01,230 --> 02:23:58,600
on this information it won't be made

3704
02:24:04,290 --> 02:24:01,240
public and then you've got maybe watch

3705
02:24:06,570 --> 02:24:04,300
you did yourself just you know working

3706
02:24:08,610 --> 02:24:06,580
away on your own you're not trying to

3707
02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:08,620
keep data from anyone but you're not

3708
02:24:13,469 --> 02:24:10,210
going out there shouting from the

3709
02:24:15,330 --> 02:24:13,479
rooftops cogs Makai joining us with our

3710
02:24:18,090 --> 02:24:15,340
special guest Micah Hanks and gene and

3711
02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:18,100
Chris with gene and Chris you're in the

3712
02:24:22,650 --> 02:24:26,959
[Music]

3713
02:24:33,269 --> 02:24:29,909
free from the shackles of Corporate

3714
02:24:38,939 --> 02:24:33,279
America we're the place for independent

3715
02:24:40,679 --> 02:24:38,949
thinkers attack of the rock AIDS has

3716
02:24:42,449 --> 02:24:40,689
been well received by critics and

3717
02:24:45,569 --> 02:24:42,459
readers alike it's a thrill a minute

3718
02:24:47,939 --> 02:24:45,579
story you'll never forget a former US

3719
02:24:50,009 --> 02:24:47,949
military intelligence officer is haunted

3720
02:24:52,319 --> 02:24:50,019
by intense dreams about a beautiful

3721
02:24:55,469 --> 02:24:52,329
woman pleading for his help after a

3722
02:24:57,569 --> 02:24:55,479
terrible battle in outer space but the

3723
02:24:59,459 --> 02:24:57,579
dreams turn out to be true and thrust

3724
02:25:02,549 --> 02:24:59,469
him into a telepathic love affair with a

3725
02:25:04,889 --> 02:25:02,559
woman whose faraway planet is intent on

3726
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Chris Micah had a comment Chris you had

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a response about doing your own quiet

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research away from prying eyes well I I

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think great Stanford really has

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influenced me in this way that you you

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don't give progress reports as you're

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doing work you you get to a point where

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you think you have something that's

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that's worthy and then you publish it or

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you you in some sort of form then you

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present this work unfortunately there's

3831
02:29:27,330 --> 02:29:24,820
too much of too much shouting from the

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rooftops I think as dogs I think very

3833
02:29:32,820 --> 02:29:30,220
succinctly put it in the field and and

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02:29:35,730 --> 02:29:32,830
when you're trying to it'll you know

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02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:35,740
somehow get the involvement of academia

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02:29:39,841 --> 02:29:38,170
and the scientific community you you've

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02:29:42,210 --> 02:29:39,851
got to do it correctly in a way that

3838
02:29:46,381 --> 02:29:42,220
they feel comfortable you know becoming

3839
02:29:48,801 --> 02:29:46,391
involved in and in unfortunately you

3840
02:29:51,570 --> 02:29:48,811
know we're seeing this type of

3841
02:29:54,990 --> 02:29:51,580
privatization of data with with big low

3842
02:29:58,320 --> 02:29:55,000
and probably others Joe firmage comes to

3843
02:30:02,370 --> 02:29:58,330
mind where these individuals are for

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02:30:04,650 --> 02:30:02,380
their own particular reasons and using

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02:30:06,870 --> 02:30:04,660
their own rationale or trying to vacuum

3846
02:30:10,740 --> 02:30:06,880
cleaner up data in almost the selfish

3847
02:30:13,560 --> 02:30:10,750
kind of way I think and I do I do

3848
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:13,570
commend Bigelow for allowing nits to

3849
02:30:19,350 --> 02:30:15,610
publish some very very important papers

3850
02:30:22,051 --> 02:30:19,360
before that that particular organization

3851
02:30:25,080 --> 02:30:22,061
went defunct but but I do think this

3852
02:30:28,200 --> 02:30:25,090
whole idea of an invisible college as

3853
02:30:29,551 --> 02:30:28,210
Jacques Vallee coined the term I think

3854
02:30:32,940 --> 02:30:29,561
that this is this is where we're gonna

3855
02:30:35,671 --> 02:30:32,950
see the most potential for moving the

3856
02:30:38,100 --> 02:30:35,681
field forward out of the prying eyes of

3857
02:30:40,591 --> 02:30:38,110
the media and out of the prying eyes of

3858
02:30:42,810 --> 02:30:40,601
the true believer crowd and I I really

3859
02:30:45,870 --> 02:30:42,820
do see serious ufology splitting off

3860
02:30:46,410 --> 02:30:45,880
from the more of the religious aspects

3861
02:30:48,210 --> 02:30:46,420
of this

3862
02:30:50,131 --> 02:30:48,220
yeah well said Chris and thank you for

3863
02:30:51,240 --> 02:30:50,141
that by the way um you know this this

3864
02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:51,250
has been such an enlightening discussion

3865
02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:53,530
for me hearing the different

3866
02:30:57,210 --> 02:30:54,489
perspectives about all the

3867
02:30:59,429 --> 02:30:57,220
and you know I think that again it may

3868
02:31:00,929 --> 02:30:59,439
be it's important to define when we say

3869
02:31:03,929 --> 02:31:00,939
underground what we mean underground

3870
02:31:06,719 --> 02:31:03,939
meaning below the mainstream approach or

3871
02:31:08,639 --> 02:31:06,729
or belief oriented UFO quote-unquote

3872
02:31:09,749 --> 02:31:08,649
movement you know because when you've

3873
02:31:12,239 --> 02:31:09,759
got something taking place in a

3874
02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:12,249
laboratory or a garage you know or even

3875
02:31:15,869 --> 02:31:13,930
during a discussion on a podcast like

3876
02:31:17,489 --> 02:31:15,879
this it's not ancient aliens you know

3877
02:31:19,229 --> 02:31:17,499
it's not hanger one it's not one of

3878
02:31:20,760 --> 02:31:19,239
these programs and there may be good

3879
02:31:22,469 --> 02:31:20,770
information that are provided on those

3880
02:31:24,119 --> 02:31:22,479
programs from time to time to I don't

3881
02:31:25,829 --> 02:31:24,129
think that's always the case I think

3882
02:31:27,420 --> 02:31:25,839
it's you know you know six to one half a

3883
02:31:29,309 --> 02:31:27,430
dozen another but the thing is is that I

3884
02:31:31,349 --> 02:31:29,319
think that the idea of the invisible

3885
02:31:33,090 --> 02:31:31,359
college the idea of an underground

3886
02:31:35,939 --> 02:31:33,100
component to this is what is going

3887
02:31:39,599 --> 02:31:35,949
beneath the mainstream kind of

3888
02:31:42,809 --> 02:31:39,609
watered-down UFO that unfortunately the

3889
02:31:45,510 --> 02:31:42,819
harshest critics of UFO phenomenon are

3890
02:31:46,949 --> 02:31:45,520
going after as though that were the best

3891
02:31:49,409 --> 02:31:46,959
representation of the research it's

3892
02:31:52,229 --> 02:31:49,419
simply not and I'll say this also with

3893
02:31:54,420 --> 02:31:52,239
regard to Robert Bigelow I to find it

3894
02:31:55,619 --> 02:31:54,430
interesting and and you know and I do

3895
02:31:58,050 --> 02:31:55,629
appreciate that there's someone out

3896
02:31:59,489 --> 02:31:58,060
there who takes seriously enough UFO

3897
02:32:01,319 --> 02:31:59,499
phenomenon that he you know they wants

3898
02:32:03,449 --> 02:32:01,329
to put money behind it as he did with

3899
02:32:05,219 --> 02:32:03,459
MUFON by the same token he also seems to

3900
02:32:07,559 --> 02:32:05,229
want to keep secret from the public a

3901
02:32:08,369 --> 02:32:07,569
lot of what he finds why is that a lot

3902
02:32:09,869 --> 02:32:08,379
of people think that there's a

3903
02:32:11,969 --> 02:32:09,879
conspiracy you know some sort of a

3904
02:32:13,469 --> 02:32:11,979
government component to that maybe it's

3905
02:32:15,989 --> 02:32:13,479
that what we already know about him he's

3906
02:32:17,999 --> 02:32:15,999
a businessman and he we know hopes to

3907
02:32:19,889 --> 02:32:18,009
maybe engineer and or even innovate new

3908
02:32:22,529 --> 02:32:19,899
technologies based on what he's observed

3909
02:32:24,539 --> 02:32:22,539
with regard to UFOs as a businessman I

3910
02:32:28,260 --> 02:32:24,549
would say although I don't condone it

3911
02:32:29,819 --> 02:32:28,270
per se I can't fault him for trying to

3912
02:32:31,529 --> 02:32:29,829
go about doing certain things secretly

3913
02:32:34,170 --> 02:32:31,539
if he is indeed trying to from a

3914
02:32:35,699 --> 02:32:34,180
business standpoint become an innovator

3915
02:32:37,380 --> 02:32:35,709
I don't think anybody wants to let loose

3916
02:32:39,389 --> 02:32:37,390
you know company secrets per se and so

3917
02:32:41,819 --> 02:32:39,399
maybe that's his situation too but but

3918
02:32:44,130 --> 02:32:41,829
real good underground ufology is gonna

3919
02:32:46,519 --> 02:32:44,140
take understanding the areas of science

3920
02:32:49,710 --> 02:32:46,529
that apply to what we call UFO research

3921
02:32:52,340 --> 02:32:49,720
trying to pull together a systematic and

3922
02:32:55,260 --> 02:32:52,350
very well-thought-out comprehensive

3923
02:32:56,609 --> 02:32:55,270
presentation on what we call ufology and

3924
02:32:57,749 --> 02:32:56,619
how best to proceed forward with it and

3925
02:33:00,359 --> 02:32:57,759
then I think that there has to be an

3926
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:00,369
openness it can't be a matter of silence

3927
02:33:02,969 --> 02:33:01,930
on this discussion it can't be a matter

3928
02:33:03,929 --> 02:33:02,979
of well you know I'm gonna keep my

3929
02:33:06,059 --> 02:33:03,939
secrets and I'll pay certain

3930
02:33:08,290 --> 02:33:06,069
organizations to do this or that for me

3931
02:33:10,780 --> 02:33:08,300
but they keep their own secrets too

3932
02:33:12,160 --> 02:33:10,790
as you know and in fairness MUFON does

3933
02:33:13,540 --> 02:33:12,170
you have to have I think a certain rank

3934
02:33:15,520 --> 02:33:13,550
as an investigator to be able to have

3935
02:33:17,380 --> 02:33:15,530
access to all their Case Files with a

3936
02:33:18,849 --> 02:33:17,390
pro like that or NICAP you know I mean I

3937
02:33:20,349 --> 02:33:18,859
think in the past it seems to me that a

3938
02:33:22,480 --> 02:33:20,359
lot more has been written a lot of those

3939
02:33:23,770 --> 02:33:22,490
Case Files have been made available or

3940
02:33:25,780 --> 02:33:23,780
at least books and things have been

3941
02:33:27,370 --> 02:33:25,790
written about them and you know I think

3942
02:33:29,679 --> 02:33:27,380
that that's what we need is the openness

3943
02:33:31,660 --> 02:33:29,689
of that information so that it is

3944
02:33:33,130 --> 02:33:31,670
available to people much like Sciences

3945
02:33:35,050 --> 02:33:33,140
although you know really you have to pay

3946
02:33:36,849 --> 02:33:35,060
for access to scientific journals just

3947
02:33:38,800 --> 02:33:36,859
as well so it's a hard thing to be able

3948
02:33:40,780 --> 02:33:38,810
to get past the profit potential and get

3949
02:33:42,429 --> 02:33:40,790
to a real true freedom and I think what

3950
02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:42,439
it requires fundamentally in order to do

3951
02:33:46,389 --> 02:33:44,090
it is money maybe we should start a

3952
02:33:47,679 --> 02:33:46,399
non-profit for UFO research that might

3953
02:33:49,660 --> 02:33:47,689
be the only way we can do it you know

3954
02:33:51,099 --> 02:33:49,670
you know maybe what we should be doing

3955
02:33:55,059 --> 02:33:51,109
here is setting up a Kickstarter

3956
02:33:57,760 --> 02:33:55,069
campaign okay for UFO research fund the

3957
02:33:59,349 --> 02:33:57,770
research step an organization to back it

3958
02:34:02,770 --> 02:33:59,359
and see what happens now just

3959
02:34:05,889 --> 02:34:02,780
parenthetically we know that a pro and I

3960
02:34:08,110 --> 02:34:05,899
cap had different approaches to UFO

3961
02:34:10,750 --> 02:34:08,120
research and conclusions and didn't

3962
02:34:12,790 --> 02:34:10,760
necessarily get along which is part of

3963
02:34:15,969 --> 02:34:12,800
it of course originally MUFON started

3964
02:34:18,460 --> 02:34:15,979
off as a splinter of appro it descended

3965
02:34:20,770 --> 02:34:18,470
from a pro as many people know and today

3966
02:34:23,740 --> 02:34:20,780
I think my problem with MUFON is it's

3967
02:34:25,900 --> 02:34:23,750
too much trying to become mainstream

3968
02:34:28,420 --> 02:34:25,910
commercial and that's why you have

3969
02:34:30,580 --> 02:34:28,430
people like a Stephen Bassett headlining

3970
02:34:32,590 --> 02:34:30,590
a session being awarded and honored

3971
02:34:34,059 --> 02:34:32,600
which i think is downright absurd

3972
02:34:35,830 --> 02:34:34,069
because it's telling us that there's no

3973
02:34:38,320 --> 02:34:35,840
need for further research let's just be

3974
02:34:40,330 --> 02:34:38,330
evangelists for the subject and that's

3975
02:34:41,980 --> 02:34:40,340
preposterous what do you think we have

3976
02:34:44,020 --> 02:34:41,990
about two minutes left or three minutes

3977
02:34:45,490 --> 02:34:44,030
so we're rushing you here okay we'll

3978
02:34:46,360 --> 02:34:45,500
make you quick then well you know I

3979
02:34:48,130 --> 02:34:46,370
think that there's definitely a

3980
02:34:50,170 --> 02:34:48,140
preposterous element to it and again the

3981
02:34:52,179 --> 02:34:50,180
entire point with my article and that's

3982
02:34:54,010 --> 02:34:52,189
not agreeing to put that one is at mica

3983
02:34:55,750 --> 02:34:54,020
Hank's calm but you know a lot of

3984
02:34:57,760 --> 02:34:55,760
contents that the other side too just as

3985
02:34:59,800 --> 02:34:57,770
well and in that article the primary

3986
02:35:02,080 --> 02:34:59,810
point is you know it's not a matter of

3987
02:35:03,610 --> 02:35:02,090
attacking people you know or disagreeing

3988
02:35:05,800 --> 02:35:03,620
with people it's just a wreckin a

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recognition of the fact that most who do

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02:35:09,340 --> 02:35:07,790
attack these field of study we call

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ufology whether or not you like that

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02:35:12,880 --> 02:35:11,750
term most of those people I think are

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02:35:14,710 --> 02:35:12,890
attacking the wrong things they're

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02:35:15,880 --> 02:35:14,720
attacking television shows conferences

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and also the kind of industrial

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02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:18,140
component to all this or you know the

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the industry that surrounds us ology and

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that is not necessarily

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the research if they were looking at the

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02:35:27,099 --> 02:35:25,069
research they might have a different

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02:35:31,359 --> 02:35:27,109
opinion on you followed you on the whole

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02:35:33,040 --> 02:35:31,369
okay very quickly Micah Hanks is there a

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02:35:35,729 --> 02:35:33,050
way to just throw everything out and

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02:35:38,439 --> 02:35:35,739
start again or can we accomplish today

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02:35:41,229 --> 02:35:38,449
getting this set up so that we have a

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02:35:43,389 --> 02:35:41,239
place where researchers can go without

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02:35:45,790 --> 02:35:43,399
having to pick up the baggage of the

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02:35:48,399 --> 02:35:45,800
past a difficult question I never think

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02:35:50,229 --> 02:35:48,409
we should throw everything out I think

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02:35:53,080 --> 02:35:50,239
sometimes we need to is the old you know

4011
02:35:54,880 --> 02:35:53,090
Asian proverb says we should unlearn and

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02:35:57,490 --> 02:35:54,890
maybe empty our cups so that we can make

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02:35:59,439 --> 02:35:57,500
room for warm tea but but I think that

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02:36:01,210 --> 02:35:59,449
we need to look carefully at what we

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02:36:03,160 --> 02:36:01,220
have had before us rather than throw it

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02:36:05,410 --> 02:36:03,170
all out and try and be more discerning

4017
02:36:09,099 --> 02:36:05,420
with what we you know lend to the future

4018
02:36:11,260 --> 02:36:09,109
of the study well we only have to see if

4019
02:36:14,290 --> 02:36:11,270
we get anywhere or whether this field

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02:36:16,149 --> 02:36:14,300
will continue for the next 60 years with

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02:36:18,899 --> 02:36:16,159
very little accomplished very little to

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02:36:22,090 --> 02:36:18,909
say except for people getting together

4023
02:36:23,679 --> 02:36:22,100
evangelizing the subject and if they're

4024
02:36:27,250 --> 02:36:23,689
not differential izing the subject

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02:36:28,840 --> 02:36:27,260
debating yelling at each other and not

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02:36:31,660 --> 02:36:28,850
really getting to a final answer of

4027
02:36:34,179 --> 02:36:31,670
course it's also as they say convenient

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02:36:35,800 --> 02:36:34,189
for people to believe the government

4029
02:36:37,330 --> 02:36:35,810
knows the answers is what we don't have

4030
02:36:39,790 --> 02:36:37,340
to do anything we don't have to learn

4031
02:36:42,130 --> 02:36:39,800
what UFOs are the government knows let's

4032
02:36:43,599 --> 02:36:42,140
get them to disclose what they know and

4033
02:36:46,450 --> 02:36:43,609
we'll all be comforted by the fact

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02:36:47,649 --> 02:36:46,460
regardless of what they know we can take

4035
02:36:50,559 --> 02:36:47,659
it that's kind of the approach I think

4036
02:36:52,420 --> 02:36:50,569
Donald Kehoe took especially in the

4037
02:36:55,420 --> 02:36:52,430
early years when he was getting started

4038
02:36:58,210 --> 02:36:55,430
with NICAP because to him nightcaps goal

4039
02:37:00,939 --> 02:36:58,220
was to get the congressional hearings

4040
02:37:03,729 --> 02:37:00,949
and the public admission of UFO reality

4041
02:37:05,290 --> 02:37:03,739
we saw how that turned out Micah Hanks

4042
02:37:07,080 --> 02:37:05,300
please tell our listeners where we can

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02:37:09,460 --> 02:37:07,090
find more of the stuff that you do

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02:37:12,820 --> 02:37:09,470
absolutely well graylien report calmness

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02:37:14,830 --> 02:37:12,830
Gral ien report and then my name Micah

4046
02:37:16,420 --> 02:37:14,840
Hanks con those are my two websites

4047
02:37:18,490 --> 02:37:16,430
there's a podcast that I put on each

4048
02:37:20,500 --> 02:37:18,500
week as well as a radio show on the K

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02:37:23,439 --> 02:37:20,510
GRE radio network on Monday nights and

4050
02:37:25,330 --> 02:37:23,449
and yes Jean my final word thank you for

4051
02:37:28,120 --> 02:37:25,340
what you said because in that last

4052
02:37:29,500 --> 02:37:28,130
statement because if we hope that

4053
02:37:30,399 --> 02:37:29,510
somebody else has the answers and that

4054
02:37:31,719 --> 02:37:30,409
we don't have to do the research

4055
02:37:34,359 --> 02:37:31,729
ourselves that is fundamentally

4056
02:37:35,440 --> 02:37:34,369
intellectual laziness by the way if you

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02:37:37,841 --> 02:37:35,450
want to

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do it go to the power cast comments the

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02:38:06,430 --> 02:38:04,490
this write me a message and I'll take

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02:38:08,560 --> 02:38:06,440
care of it for you okay and Chris can be

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02:38:12,040 --> 02:38:08,570
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4071
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:12,050
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clubs and they've got structured there

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so we can't really merge them without

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02:38:38,830 --> 02:38:38,181
killing all the contents for one isn't

4081
02:38:41,290 --> 02:38:38,840
that weird

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02:38:43,660 --> 02:38:41,300
dogs thanks for being a board and Micah

4083
02:38:54,621 --> 02:38:43,670
Hanks thank you for joining us on the

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02:39:01,171 --> 02:38:58,140
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

4085
02:39:04,041 --> 02:39:01,181
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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